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Skin damage question Aug 14, 2001 Hi All, I have slight discoloration (brown, mottled) skin along my naso-fold lines that make them appear much worse than they are. This is new, just sprung up during the past several months. I'm on the Obagi system right now, gearing up for my peel. I started it 3 weeks ago, and these brownish areas got real crusty and peeled right away and remain red. I'm guessing that this is an indication of real sun damage on those areas. The rest of my face isn't really peeling, and I only have one other tiny brown dot on my forehead--no other mottled skin. My question is: Do you think the Obagi bleaching/lightening agents will get rid of the brownness? Or will the peel eliminate it? It's really making my folds look much worse than they are because it makes them stand out. If I put skin-matching makeup on the spots, my folds vitually disappear. Just wondering if anyone has had any success in getting rid of mottled skin...
Lynne IP: 205.188.192.187
Hi Lynne, I have the hyperpigmentation also along the nasal folds and on the tops of my cheeks outlining under the eyes. I totally hate this! Makes my lines look much worse. I'm afraid to use any skin lightening products with hydroquinine (sp)? in it. So what I have been using lately is the skin bio products. The tri-reduction cremes every other night. And the cp serum during the day. My brown spots are definitely fading. Whether or not they will disappear totally I don't know but am hoping!! If anyone knows of a product that will eliminate these I would love to hear about it also! Bonnie
Hi...
don't know if this will work for you..but try Hope's Glow Vitamin Cream (Hope Aesthetics.com) Read...ask for sample; you be the judge. Jean
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The wrinkle cure Aug 10, 2001 Has anybody tried or been successful with Dr. Perriconne's diet and creams?
Connie IP: 63.67.120.229
Hi Connie, I like his products....have not tried his diet...other than tried eating salmon for 3 days just to see.....there is great deal of truth to this what you put inside has direct effect on outside! try it.....He had suggested if you wanted to look really great for some special occasion to eat salmon 3 days prior to. He has definitely got something there. My wrinkles have not been 'cured'....lol...but they look healthy!! lol. People have had monumental success using his products from all accounts; the contents of are certainly the right stuff for benefits....as with all else, depending on extent of damage already in place I am sure. But yes, the skin care creams etc. are beneficial. Jean
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Cosmetics .. Bare Essentials Aug 9, 2001 I have been flexing for several months, and have seen results, will certainly continue, resistance training only makes sense to me....anyway, I have also just discovered a new line of cosmetics, called Bare Essentials, and was wondering if anyone here has used it and has any comments.....thanks
Pegwillen IP: 137.146.110.58
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CP Serum / Alpha lipoic Aug 4, 2001 Hi Jean, Is there more benefits in using the serum over the P&R products? I started using the P&R #3 (contains retinol) for a few months, but I was considering on my next order to try the serum and was wondering why you chose & prefer it? I was so excited when I found Perricone's Eye Area Therapy in a new store someone told me about. The store sells freight that's been damaged. The box must have broken open, but the individual bottles were intact and still sealed. The eye cream contains the same l% alpha lipoic acid as the face firming cream and contains the NTP Complex. When I read Perricone's site about these products, the main ingredients for the face & eye creams look identical so I am going to test it on my face as well as eyes. I bought several bottles since they cost 92% under the list price of $45 for l/2 oz!!!! How long did you use the firming cream before you noticed results? Are you using it 2x a day as suggested on the instructions? Do you use the CP serum at the same time, or do you alternate the products between morning & night or between days? Can you tell me what the firming cream instruction say about the amount to apply so I use the same amount of the eye therapy on my face? Thanx, Terri IP: 130.101.6.157
Terri,
Can you provide me with information on this store you found, ie. address, phone number and web site if any. Thanks, -Ed
Sorry Ed
but I don't think its a chain store, just a local little store. Its called Great Freight. I think once a product is sold out, its gone. They don't order items, I believe they buy damaged freight & excess stock, or fire damaged merchandise. Most of the stuff in there was hardware and household items--lots of junk you'd just pass up. It has only 4-5 aisles. It was a fluke thing that the perricone product was in there with the "cheapy" body & hand lotions. Terri
Hi Terri: I use CP serum and emu oil..a.m...often use P&R 3 pms....yes, I alternate products. I prefer serum for no other reason, than for my 'time frame' of life, it just seems to penetrate better. I have often used eye cream on lines around mouth...eye cream I believe has more emolliants in it than moisturizers...as is for sensitive eye area...where there are no oil glands...I think this is fine to do..I frequently use it on these lines around mouth area. Don't know about entire face; never tried it that way...I need 'hydration', so I basically stick with hydrating moisturizers. The firming cream: I would say several months..though I did see improvement in clarity and just a nice smooth appearance before that time slot. The face firming cream (Perricone) says to 'apply liberally' to entire face starting from forehead (hairline), down in downward strokes, including eye lids...down neck, then up sides of neck behind ears. It is not so much about using a vast array of skin care products, is about having what you need at your fingertips...my skin changes...I have been 'practicing' for eons, so I can pretty much look in the mirror in morning and tell what my skin "needs" on any given day. some days I prefer 'dewy', some days I prefer more sophisticated look...some days I just need hydration. I love makeup, but my skin has got where most days, I don't even need but a minimal amt of makeup...and I attribute this to skin care and diet and exercise...and flexing. I do love these products we are discussing and good luck with your eye creams...keep us posted..I have never used the cp serum WITH alpha lipoic (at same time)..but I have used other serums with alpha lipoic; worked fine....if in doubt as to skin sensitivity...try using your product combos on backs of hands or forearms for sev days and see what transpires. I try not to 'layer' stuff that has variety of 'ingred'..but sometimes I have done this (with no adverse effects, but I don't think my skin is sensitive type).must be more careful if you have sensitive skin! I have found that most of the products I lean toward have basically the same contents, with variations therein. 'firming creams and serums' do seem to be very nice, as far as it CAN go...I wish there WAS an instant firm up potion....but I just don't think there is...but every little bit helps! lol. they do give visual 'perk up', absolutely, and I love the feel of them...however, building muscle is the only "real" lift I have experienced to date..not saying creams are not an assist, as they surely can be....and I keep using them!!!
lol....Jean
Thanks Jean. I figured the eye cream was more emollient, but usually products have a lower percentage of ingredients for the eyes (for example glycolic acid), yet Perricone's eye cream has the same % alpha lipoic as the face cream. Ive been using it for 3 days without any sensitivity problems. I too am finding I need to wear less foundation since Ive been using several of the products recommended on the board. This is amazing to me as Ive always had to wear foundation before Id leave the house! Flexing too has made the skin look firmer. Im only at the 3 mo. mark, can hardly wait to see what's going to happen at 6 mo. & l yr. My hubby doesn't tease me about flexing, he understands the concept & muscles better than I. Only thing he questioned me about was whether I will be pleased with the results because he says sometimes when you build a body muscle it doesn't always look good and you don't get the results you were after. He thinks flexing might make my appearance dramatically change. By doing all the exercises, I don't think its possible not to like the results. I wrote Deb concerning whether my problem area was really bottom furrow lines. She called to inform me they were not, & that the lines forming on my lower mouth are improved by the lower lip curl exercises. Naturally, those 2 exercises are the most difficult for me to do, and she said that made sense because those muscles are particularily weak. If you have any suggestions or tips on how to do the lip curl exercise your imput would be greatly appreciated. I have doubled up on those exercises & hold the counts longer, but I don't feel Im doing the exercise properly. Since I didn't think to ask Deb, on the Adv. exercise how far into the corners of my bottom lip should I place the index fingers to get the best results? I know Jason says to experiment, and do what works best for you, but Im not feeling a good contraction no matter how I do it so I think I must not be doing it properly. Terri Hi Terri...
It took me a very long time to even feel the muscle in lower lip curl...now I can do it without even using my fingers. I just did it the way is described on Deb's video and in the book...I never tried any particular variations in this one particular area. only other one I have tried for lips is back in workshop someplace...if you can't find, give a holler. lower lip curl works very well, just took me a long time to feel the resistance...so hang in there. just like reverse chew; it took me nearly 5 mos to feel it in my temples! I do now...but did not initially.
Jean Thanks again.
I sure will hang in on the lower lip curl, im determined to see some improvement. Terri
YOU WILL!!!!
Jean
Hi Terri My hubby doesn't tease me about flexing, he understands the concept & muscles better than I. Only thing he questioned me about was whether I will be pleased with the results because he says sometimes when you build a body muscle it doesn't always look good and you don't get the results you were after. I was also concerned about the results, but figured I'd just stop if I didn't like what I saw. Also, Deb and Jason emphasis being "creative", so I basically took good looks at my face and decided what I wanted to build, what I wanted to maintain and went from there. For example I didn't want to build up my chin/lower lip area so I only flex those parts maybe every three days. I wanted to build up my cheeks and under my eyes, so I work those parts harder 5-6 days a week. So I end up doing most all the excersizes, but some more often and harder than others. I DO look a bit different, I admit. My face looks more sculpted but this is a good thing. I really do like the shape and planes of my face this way...looks a bit Peta Wilsonish. Sadie
:>Thanks Sadie, If I see anything weird happening, Ill decrease in that area. So far I don't have that problem, in fact, a few areas should be worked more--especially on my left side. What would an overworked area look like? Would it look bulgy, lumpy, or would your eyebrows be up in the vicinity of your hairline (LOL!)? Terri
Terrie! <Laughing!> Awwww, you'd know it if you see it. You just won't like the look :-) Sadie
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Jean and all lipstick lovers! Jul 19, 2001 Hey Girls,
I bought a killer new lipstick yesterday from my aesthetician. (I started Obagi yesterday!) Anyway, this stuff is killer! It's a 12-hour lipstick. It's kind of like a paint, really. But it works! It DOES NOT BLEED, it does not smear, it does not come off when you eat or drink...it won't be on your teeth. And it comes with a gloss coat for over the top. I got the Nude color. It's gorgeous! I put it on at noon and it lasted really well until about 6PM. I had to touch it up a bit then because my lips are really dry and chapped. I think it would last longer on smooth lips. So for all of you who want to show off your new plumper lips, this stuff is "the bomb." It's call LipSense and the manufacturer is SeneGence. The website is www.senegence.com. ~Lynne IP: 152.163.197.178 Hi Lynne!
Thanks...sounds good; I will sure give it a try!
Hi Lynne Now I have to ask you - what is in this product that you are putting on your lips? Does that ever worry you? It does me, so I have started to use natural lipsticks. My latest is by Orgins I really love it. Of course, it doesn't last all day but I am not worried about what chemicals I am putting next to my mouth. Just curious what is in it?
Jae Hi Jae,
Oh, yes...I do think about what kind of chemicals I put on my body. I asked the aesthetician about the lipstick too. I was concerned about what it might do to the skin on my lips. She's a pretty natural girl herself and she assured me that it has done her no harm. In a way, I think this stuff is safer than most lipsticks since it doesn't come off when you eat, drink, etc...so you're not ingesting it. On the other hand, I'm sure some of it seeps in through the skin on your lips the same as any other brand. Don't know what's in it. But then, I don't wear lipstick every day...in fact, of late, I've barely worn any makeup at all. I use it only for special occassions. I try to strike a good balance with beauty vs. health considerations. Lynne
Hi Lynne
Sounds interesting Lynne, although usually long lasting lipsticks dry my lips out. Does this lippie have mouisturisers in it. Thanks.
Elaine
Hi Elaine It's hard for me to tell if it's very drying, since my lips were dry to begin with. It does have a gloss coat that is moist, but the lipstick itself is not very creamy--like I said, it's more like a "paint." I wore it again yesterday and it lasted for hours. That impressed me! Lynne
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Perricone's Address? Jul 19, 2001 13:56:59 GMT Could someone please let me know the webiste address where I can find out information and buy the Perricone's products? Any supplier in Canada? Thanks Laura IP: 209.188.80.30
H Laura http://www.drperricone.com. You can get his products from the Nordstroms Beauty Line and that way, if for any reason at any time you don't like them you can return them for a full refund. I would go that way! 1-800-7BEAUTY
Jae
Hi... You can also get it at Clinical Creations.com...and I believe, on DermaDoctor.
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Alpha Lipoic test Jul 14, 2001 Hi everyone! I had a forgotten bottle of Perricone's Alpha Lipoic Face Firming cream in my bathroom for many months. After checking to be sure that he does no animal testing nor uses animal products I decided to try it on half of my face. My skin is very sensitive, has larger pores and can still break out if I am not careful. It has been two weeks and I have to say, I can tell a difference already. I have a huge, magnified (frightening) make up mirror and my pores one the left side are definitely smaller and the skin is smoother. Hey, what do you know - might actually work! I use the Hope Skin Care Line as well and they work very good together. (love the sunscreen) I am going to do this for one month and if I still see a big difference I am going to SLATHER this stuff on the other side of my face to catch up! Will let you know in two more weeks. The proof is in the pudding (mirrors this size can't lie - unfortunately).
Jae IP: 63.25.3.203
Hi Jae
I agree with you Jae; I, also use Hope Aesthetics and I do alternate w/this particular one of Perricone's products. I like this better than his face lift product even.. bottem line is whatever works! Jean
Hey Eveyone OK, it has only been 2 1/2 weeks into my test BUT the left side of my face looks so much smoother than the right that I am cashing in my chips early and going to use this cream on both sides. Why wait? It is Perricone's Alpha Lipoic Acid Face Firming cream. It has made a very large difference in the smoothness of my skin on the left side already. My pores are so obviously smaller on that side that I can easily now see it. I don't know if it will work as well on other peoples skin, if you already have tighter pores or if my skin is more condusive to being helped by this product. But whatever it is - I like it! My skin is very sensitive, oily, can get irritated and red easily. I don't have many wrinkles but I've never seen the texture of my skin as smooth, I am very happily surprised!! Just wanted to pass this along. YEAH.
Yeah too! I agree. I did not do 'the test' as you did exactly as you did...but the products are excellent...whatever works!! I realize I have a certain lack of credibility about skin care products...since I am impressed with every one I ever used...lol...(actually I am, with a couple exceptions)...some are just far superior than others is all! You mentioned you use the firming activator in conjunction with, or alternating with, the Hope Aesthetics? I, too, have been doing this route for some time and I think, for whatever reason, this is good combo regimen. thx for your input!! some of the persons who have used NV Perricone did not seem too overly impressed, but I have found them highly effective...and obviously you have also. The lip plumper is very good too...and I often use the finishing moisturizer here and there. You don't have to purchase an entire line of products; often just one or two items are all that you need. In addition to flexing (which keeps the whole thing going in my opinion) skin care is right up there in importance..to go along with! Jean
Check out www.rejuvamed.com/nvp/hml for tips on using Perricone's Alpha lipoic. They suggested using Perricone's body cream mixed with your favorite face cream if you find the Face firming cream too pricey (unless you have scars, then you need the high potency). I wonder if it would be as effective? Ive got to check this product out. A segment on our local news reported that it was working for wrinkles; Paula Begeon however, reported in her latest book that it doesn't work. Actually saw Perricone speaking in the report, & frankly I didn't think he looked that great, but maybe it was bad lighting!
Terri Hi Terri I mix it with Hope Aesthetics BHW Antioxidant cream at night. It really doesn't matter to me what Begoun says, the only lines she really likes are her own! Do what I did, use it on half of your face and find out for yourself. I was shocked that it worked, on me it makes quit a difference. Then again, it might be that my skin responds to it. Good luck on your own test. Jae
Hi Terri
I am curious what you expected Dr. Perricone to look like? Seems to be a mature man who has dermatology expertise...pretty impressive credentials.....several dozen patents...done wide range of tested and documented research....the proof is in the pudding of his products.....who cares what he looks like? I saw him too and he appears relatively normal and healthy looking to me. lol....loved your post anyway! even 'experts' often disagree...is what keeps it all so interesting and marketable! Jean
Hi Jean Sorry if I sounded so negative about Perricone's looks. I saw his picture on line & also I believe in his book. I didn't mean that he was ugly or unattractive on TV, he just appeared much older than his photos (forgot about air brushed photos). I noticed top furrows etc. that I hadn't noticed in his pictures (we should send him an intro to flexing lol!). Im thinking tight, firm, lift skin etc. (isn't that what his products promise) and when he appeared, why he was just a good looking mature man with a few of the same facial sags I have. I guess Im always anticipating perfection because Im a perfectionist by nature.
Terri
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AHA website.. Jul 12, 2001 Hi all, Just found this website in my search for AHA info... http://www.rejuvamed.com The site is run by an M.D. and seems pretty informative and impartial. Nick IP: 212.56.128.167
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Vivida / Nourella Jul 12, 2001 Hi, I was in the chemist today and saw Vivida tablets and I was surprised to see that it is sold in some countries as Nourella. Here it costs 17,000 drachmaes which is about $43.I have included the site that I found for Nourella, hope this is help to someone. Here is the site. http://www.pharmavita.co.uk/nourella/details.html All the best to all.
Elaine IP: 213.249.3.177
Hi Elaine It's hard for me to tell if it's very drying, since my lips were dry to begin with. It does have a gloss coat that is moist, but the lipstick itself is not very creamy--like I said, it's more like a "paint." I wore it again yesterday and it lasted for hours. That impressed me!
Elaine IP: 213.249.2.152
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Retin A / Exercise question Jul 21, 2001 Hi All, I started the Obagi program the other day. The main ingredient is retin-A and my face is red, red, red and tight, tight, tight right now. (I think I overdid it some. Not used to the high-strength retin-a.) I've backed off the Retin-A for a few days, but I'm wondering about flexing during this process. If my skin is so tight, will it tear if I flex?? It seems as though it will. Just wondering if anyone has any experience doing these two programs simultaneously. (My skin looks like hell right now!) Does anyone else's skin look really leathery from the retin-A?? Lynne IP: 205.188.200.52
Lynn I use Retin A Micro .1% and don't have any trouble at all. But using it in conjunction with Obagi I couldn't tell you. I know the program for Obagi goes for 12 weeks and you look like you've been through a meat grinder. I would think you might have to back off the exercises until your skin heals, same as post laser. Jason
Hi Lynne, Just read your post regarding Obaji. Just so happens that I also started on Obaji--just yesterday. My face is all pink today and I too, was wondering about doing the exercises when my face starts pealing. I am under a PS's supervision. Some of the before and after pictures were pretty impressive, if you can get past the 6 months of torture. I tried copper peptides and glycolic acid for about 6 months and did see some results wanted to try something more agressive. A friend of mine has been on Obaji for 5 months and is starting to get past the tough stage and is looking so much better. Keep me posted on your progress.
Ellen
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Jae, Is 1/2 your face catching up? Jul 21, 2001 Hi Jae, Is the right side looking better & catching up with the left since you started alpha lip. on it? Just to let you know, I agree with you about Paula Begeon. She didn't like copper peptides but I tried it anyway and am happy with the results. I just offered the comment about her view of Perricone as one person's perspective, not necessarily the right one! I did say that the news reported it seemed to be working for those who had tried it. Boy I hate when I come across as being negative when I was just trying to show both sides of the argument. Can't really give my personal opinion since I haven't tried it myself! I think its good to hear opposing opinions so you can begin to weigh the matter for yourself, don't you agree? I always try to write BOTH opinions so I don't sound biased. I am feed up with the products Ive purchased that don't meet up to their claims. Im in that "Buyer Beware" mentality I guess, so I like to get a variety of opinions. Anyway, I really am excited its working for you because maybe its just the product I need too!
Terri IP: 130.101.6.73
Terri, It has only been a couple of days so I really don't expect to see anything for a few weeks. What the Alpha Lipoic cream is doing for my skin is mainly tighening my pores. Which I love, giving my skin a smoother appearance. Now as far as firming my skin or removing wrinkles - I really haven't noticed that as of yet. I don't really have many wrinkles so I might not be the best judge on that and have not noticed my skin to be firmer, but then again I do exercise it. So I am not sure if everyone will see enough results to warrant using the product, but it has been about 3 weeks for me and I am so far very optimistic. We'll see.
Jae,
They say that nothing can change your pore size...I have heard this over and over and even read really logical reasoning why it cannot...HOWEVER, these products (which really surprises me still) seem to actually diminish pore size? That is not supposed to be scientifically possible (for whatever reason I have forgotten)...but it is apparent that pores can be diminished...or have the appearance of being diminished...maybe it is the smoother effect you get from the alpha lipoic benefits. at any rate, this is noticeable! As for firmness, I definitely think so; especially eye and eyelid area...as for all else...'feels firmer'.....I cannot really tell if it actually IS. but does tend to give one a smooth and very pleasing 'plump up'...not sure how to term it? since you are using, you know what I mean. skin just looks different (for the better). we will see long-term, say after 8 or 9 mos.
Jean Hi Jean,
In his book "The Wrinkle Cure" he said that one of the first things that his test patients noticed was that their pores got tighter. He said that happend in the first 2 weeks, which it did for me, too. I was beyond shocked, didn't think it could happen either. Seems he was shocked by those results, too since no other treatment works for that. The difference on my face is really guite obvious esp. on my nose area when I was only doing half of my face. He says that the firmness is noticed more the longer it is used, the most dramatic after 3 months. He says also that deep wrinkles and scars diminish around that time. Also reduces any redness. Hey, me the big sceptic has had my closed mind cracked open by these results. I am still looking for all his claims to be true. Truly, only time will tell. Wouldn't that be great! I'll take all the good results that I can get.
Hi Jae,
Yes, I had read that too (did not believe a word of it)..but now I am not so very sure of that! do you suppose we are all suffering from mass hysteria?,,,lol...don't think so...seems to be a given that this does have some very nice benefits. ..as my daughter in law noticed this on her face (she uses) long before it was apparant on mine...NV Perricone is the only product that she is using that I am aware of. Jean
Hi Jae You and Jean have got my interest here! His products are WAY over my budget but if it works for wrinkles...I'm saving up!! The copper peptides also work for tightening pores. I have noticed the ones on my nose are smaller. Ones on my cheeks are still very noticable. Actually I think they are more old acne marks, ice pick ones. Wish those would diminish! Keep up with the updates! Bonnie
Hi,
I have large pores too, and yes I heard you can't change pore size, but certain products seem to help the appearance as long as you keep using them. How often do you use the product? What time of day & how much do you use? Do you use anything else in congunction with it? Terri Hi Terri....
I use them every other day....either/or a.m. one day; p.m. the next, etc. Also use Hope Aesthetics alternate days.....I also love the copper peptide products and incorporate these in one week on, one week using my other regimen. I have not used Renova for some time because I seem to be doing just fine without it. I also OFTEN use No Age by Christian Dior...(if you haven't tried this one, do). Perricon recommends a starting regimen of every other day...and I have just continued on in that vein. (every Sun p.m...I do not use anything at all)...I think this is a benefit. also use sunscreen ALL THE TIME (I prefer Ti Silk above all else.) Bottem line is there are a tremendous amount of skin care products that truly are beneficial, restorative.....but no amount of anything is going to totally reverse and correct a lifetime of serious sun damage....even chemical peels, which are great, are temporary.....best thing is being realistic in your expectations..depending on your skin...read a very great deal..opt for agressive skin care if you have sun damage...and best of all avoid sun damage to begin with if you are in your 20's...30's and even 40's by always wearing sunscreen..then you will never have all this photo damage to contend with at all.....when you hit the 50's and beyond! sunscreen and flexing are your best prevention and/or intervention. I am extremely pleased with the products I have opted to use, but it would have been preferable if I had used sunscreen religiously in the early years! there are so many great breakthroughs now..there is no need to ever have sun damage. Jean
Hi All Isn't it funny, we are so incredibly use to the claims by skin care products to be totally false that is something actually does anything we are thrilled. I have seen some improvement BUT according to his claims I should be seeing even more in the future. The jury is still out, I am happy with what I have seen so far but want to see continued improvement and THEN I'll be a true believer. I use it in combination with Hope Aesthetics. Which I have been using for years and really love.
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Skin biology and CP. Serum Jul 23, 2001 I just ordered this product, I would love to hear from those who have used it, what did you have for results and any problems?..thanks, db IP: 137.146.110.61
Hi db
Enjoying the products. seem to be very soothing, smoothing and glow enhancing, for lack of better description. lol. you will like them I am quite sure....does not appear to be overrated and I have had no problems with at all. feel good on skin, feels nice; looks nice. If you get a chance, try the calypso oil..this is a nice product too.
I really like the cp serum. It has evened out my skin tone, skin looks smoother and has a glow to it now that I didn't have prior to using. I have also stopped having breakouts (hormonal) which totally surprised me as I wasn't expecting this to happen! I never want to be without it! The only problem I had with this was under the eye area. It was too drying for me but lately I have been using it under my eyes with no problem. Can't figure that one out. Bonnie
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Ti-Silk... actual name..."Ti-Silc" Jul 26, 2001 Hi Jean, Where do you get your ti-silk sunblock? I'd like to try it, too. Thanx in advance for your response.
IP: 198.81.16.181
Hi For the longest time I too had been searching for "Ti Silk"on the web and the hits I kept getting was for "silk"made from Thailand. The reason, I later discovered, isbecause people misspelled it! It is "Ti-Silc". You can purchase it at www.dermadoctor.com for $22.00 for 4oz. Use the "Pick a Brand" pull down menu at the top to find it. Their phone number is 1-877-337-6237, M-F, 8am-5pm CST.
Ed
Hi
You can also purchase it at Rejuvamed.com.... Jean
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Sun damage question Jul 31, 2001 Jason, Deb or anyone: I have a qstn I have been wondering about since square one. I had extremely minimal lines on forehead to start...now I exhibit none of these..my qstn is...my forehead was always the first and foremost part of my face to get sunburned (in my misspent youth)...and always burned the fastest and peeled a kazillion times over a l0 yr time frame. Why is it I have no apparant sun-damage on my forehead, yet have obvious sun-damage other areas of face? forehead is smooth; always has been but for tiny (maybe 2 little lines) previously. I am not complaining about this...is cool beans...but just really curious why, since this was the worst area to burn, there is no damage there? just really curious about this one. thx for response.
Jean Jean, The skin of the face does vary in sensitivity. The skin around the eyes has been well documented to be particularly sensitive to sun damage and is usually where people show signs first. The neck also has a tendency to show signs of sun damage earlier as well. Once the skin around the eyes have been damage it IS more difficult to correct as well. Even laser often will be only moderately successful in eliminating lines and wrinkles caused by sun damage to this area. Since you've used a wide array of products designed to repair your skin, your forehead may show more benefits of this than other, more sensitive, areas. This is my guess based on research that I've read. One way to see what areas of the skin are still showing signs of sun damage is to have your skin inspected by a black light. Many spas and some beauty salons who perform facials provide this assessment and will be able to show you how much sun damage remains to your face and its exact location. Hope I've been able to help. Jason
Thanks, Jason, for response. I expect you are right; hadn't thought about reparative products at all. Jean
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Retin A Jul 10, 2001 Hi, I want to know about Retin-A and how it works on the skin. How much does it smooth the skin and do you have to take it for good? My skin is not smooth and I have small fine lines and one big vertilcle line above my top lip. Can I get rid of that line with the combination of FlexEffect and Retin-A or with just FlexEffect? The only reason I bring up about Retin-A, Debbie mentions it. Thanks for the comments. Sherri L. IP: 63.52.169.72 Sherri, We have tons of info on Retin A under Traning Workshop. Just click that link at the top of any of the FlexEffect pages; then click the Skin Products link. You should also find links to other pages discussing Retin A, as well. Jason
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Creams, potions, peels etc. Jul 9, 2001 I am new here, and I have just started the flex training.I am 53 and will be 54 this august. I have been lucky all my life to not look my age...it is a family trait...everyone I meet thinks I am 38-40....even though I still look young for my age, I am getting sags under my chin, lets say my face is sliding south, and my biggest problem being the area just under my brows...it seems to be resting on my eye lids, however I walk around with my brows raised and it helps my appearance.I have been into body building, weight training for quite awhile. I have found weight training for the body to be the fountain of youth...you can have a very young body, but unfortunately the face suffers. I have bought it all to try and keep the face up with the body...Carole Maggio, suzanne sommers facersize, facialflex, dermaltone....I have also bought every potion out there including the one that claims to erase wrinkles by eating a ton of salmon and using Dr.perricone's products...amine complex face lift, and ester C....also bought his book...also did the Obagi blue peel, microdermabrassion..12 sessions......This is all very costly as I found out..I worked very hard at each and every one of these, I spent a lot of money using all of these....The best results I found were using the obagi products to eleminate hyperpigmintaion, age spots, skin flaps, it was drastic, and it helped to soften the fine lines..I only had fine lines to begin with so I dont know the effects on deeper lines......Obagi is dramatic as it causes the face to turn very red like a sunburn, and peels...It requires Retin-A and it is 12 of the harshest weeks I ever spent on my face, arms and hands....I had no age spots at all it took off skin flaps from my neck, and helped smooth the crinkling on my hands and neck. I did not have the obagi peel, as I was told it burns like heck. This is what I have done that really helps....like I said the 12 week obagi program, if you can get through it and stand to be red and peel, go for it.....then to maintain it, microdermabrasion...if you are over 50 I say 12 treatments and then once a month maint....after the 12 microderm...then have a hydroxy chem peel in the dermotologist office...The best thing you can ever do is wear lots of sun screen to protect your investment...All these creams, potions and proceedures are costly, so the sun screen is very important.....So now that I have smooth skin, I need to have strong muscles underneath to keep the sags at bay...I am now starting this program of flexeffect and will keep you posted on my results...Once more, I can't stress enough that weight training is the fountain of youth and will keep your body looking young and great at any age....one weight training program to try is Bill Phillips....it is wonderful, and it works great.... http://www.bodyforlife.com
Also I want to add that after 50 when you tend to have lost most of your estrogen you notice a lot of little changes in the skin. Something I found that helps the skin and hair is Ground Golden Flax seed...there are web sites that can give you all sorts of info on the great benifits of Golden Flax......incorporating that into your diet works wonders for the health of your hair and skin...helps keep your skin moist.
Sherrie IP: 207.177.82.208
Hi Sherrie and welcome :-) I do have a co-worker with beautiful skin who uses Obaji products, so I'm definitely going to keep it in mind! Dr. Perricone's "face lift" stuff (DMEA) didn't work? We've just been discussing it on the board. As far as weight training for a young body, I couldn't agree with you more! I was an athletic teenager, but my bod looks much better now than it did then (from weight training--I'm 44). I didn't weight train back then, I started a few years ago to combat a bout of depression and also to hopefully ward off the osteoporosis that runs on my mom's side of the family. My body shape is much improved and I'm tight! Feels great to feel and look strong! (And no I'm definitely not muscle-bound.) And it's given me a fantastic tush :-)) I don't do crunches for my abs though, I do something similar to Pilates for a long, lean look there. Something people should keep in mind: One doesn't have to do the weights all at one time! I do them through-out the day. I do them at the office when nobody is around, and a side benefit is that it prevents stress build-up, headaches and tension, from sitting at the desk. The rest I do at night while watching the news. So it really doesn't take up a big chunk of my time! I look forward to your FlexEffect progress reports :-) Sadie Nice to have you on board, Sherrie.
Be sure to take pictures now and then again every 3-4 months. That way you'll be able to ascertain your progress visually. Jason
Hi Sherrie Thanks for your message. Sounds like you have tried many things and have lots of wisdom to share! Can you tell me where to find the obagi peel? What did it do for your skin? Is there a website? Thanks again!
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Sadie Re: DAME Jul 4, 2001 I saw you were looking for DMAE. Twinlab makes a liquid DMAE-H3. Its a concentrated solution of PABA & DMAE. Twinlab's label says DMAE by itself is alkaline and caustic therefore only the salts and esters of DMAE are used. l0 drops=l50 mg. PABA + 100 mg. DMAE. I purchased it at a health food store. If Perricone recommends a l% solution, how many milligrams would that be? Terri IP: 130.101.2.168
Oh gosh, I wish I knew!! Does 1% solution mean 1% DMAE to 99% of a carrier? What base are you going to use? Someone help us with this! :-) How much did the liquid DMAE cost? If this stuff really works and we don't have to pay $85.00 for a tiny bottle, I'd be thrilled :-))) Sadie
Hi Sadie
A l-2/3 Fluid oz. bottle costs $9.95 at my health food store, but I get a 20% discount lst wk. of month. Its really for internal use. I haven't tried it yet. Was really wondering if its strong enough. I don't know, what's a good carrier? Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Some people are allergic to PABA. I think it was used in sun screens at one time.So if the stuff works topically, you're getting some sun protection as well. How much, I couldn't say. Im really busy this week, but if I can squeeze in a call to the health food store maybe they can give me some info. Terri,
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Love our animal friends Jul 3, 2001 I do not believe in upping the demand for dead emus by making their body oils into a human skin product. If squalane works as the company claims, why kill an animal??? There are thousands of wonderful plant products that work incredibly on the skin. It is easy to say that emus are not killed for their oil but the more money people can make off of their body parts the more killing that will happen, whether they are eaten or not. Emus are not exactly a worldwide meat staple. Look at the African elephant that is killed just for its tusks or, horrible pictures still in my mind of amputated elephants, for their feet so that they can be made into ashtrays. Minks killed for their skin. Turtles for their shells and so on and so on. Where there is an extra dollar you can find dead animals. Why choose to be a part of that? To attempt to make you skin look better? I won't. Not when it is absolutely unnecessary.
Jae IP: 63.27.22.211
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I'm still lurking! Jul 3, 2001 And NOT using emu oil. Yes the emu's are killed to get their oil. I not only emailed Skin Biology but phoned them as well. I for one am not putting a dead animals body parts on my face - YUCK!! If a company sells products that are made from dead animals, what is preventing them from testing as well? I, for one, believe in no animal testing and no animal by-products whenever possible. I use an incredible line of products by Hope Aesthetics. www.hopeskincare.com.(NO animal anything) All natural and works so well, that after a few years of using, I don't go anywhere else for long because nothing else compares!
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Jae... if you are still lurking Jul 1, 2001 Hi, Jae. I've been looking around Loren Pickart's website, and, I decided to give the CP Serum a try. I won't touch any of the other stuff that contains emu oil until I know how it's gotten. Did you post here a while ago about it? I thought I saw something, but, I didn't read it. Please let me know if it was you. I asked the Skinbiology people if they did animal testing, and, they said an unequivocal "NO!". First, this doesn't appear to be true according to the studies they cite. Second, so what if emus are killed or hurt in the making of the products. This may not beimportant to others, but, it is to me. Thanks in advance
Diane IP: 170.20.200.17
Hi Jae Emu oil is from an ostrich type bird. The animal is killed for the meat, not the oil. How they are raised or killed, Pickart never says. Rather than discarding the oil, it has been put it to use. By phone, skinbio has been very helpful in addressing any concerns about their products. When you receive an order, they send a list of product ingredients for everything they carry for your future reference. They recommend using squaline (plant) products if you find using emu oil offensive.
Hi Jae, I agree with you 100% about using "cruelty free" products. There are so many great products available now, that do NOT test on, nor harm animals in any way, that there is no reason to use the ones that do! I am sure this is a concern for many of us, so thanks for bringing it up. Eileen
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Wrinkle Supplement Jul 1, 2001 Hi all,
I just learned of a product in Finland--it's a fish cartilage supplement--that is supposed to work on healing wrinkles from the inside out. It's called Vivida. There are reports of tests on the site. Apparently, the tests showed even better results than they'd hoped for. This is the just the type of thing I've been hoping to find. (If it's true, of course!) It does seem to me that the body ought to be able to "heal" itself of wrinkles since we are constantly producing new skin. And it stands to reason that there would be some "product" of nature that would work with the body's system to heal damage in the lower layers of the dermis. I've written to the company to find out how to get the product in the US. I think I'm going to try it. I'll keep you all posted if you like... Lynne IP: 64.12.102.184
Hi Lynne I had an experience with shark cartilage that was interesting. I went to an alternative doctor for fibroid tumors and he put me ona lot of shark cartilage to see if it would shrink the tumors before I had surgery. My skin became gorgeous. I started on the stuff in Nov and by March my skin was showing the results. Less wrinkles and sagging, no breakouts. I was getting lots of complments. I was also on an excellent diet, some other supplements. The shark cartilage is quite expensive so I didn't keep that up....plus just buying ,taking asnd storing all this stuff is time-consuming!(BTW- it did nothing for the fibroids. I finally had surgery for them).Hope this may give you more info! Lynn
Hi Lynn
Funny you should mention that...I was wondering about Shark cartilage. You say it actually lessened your existing wrinkles AND helped with the sagging?? WOW. Perhaps, then, this product in Finland is the real McCoy. Lynne
Hey LynnE! It appeared to make a difference but I haven't tried it again because flexing is working just as well and maybe better. (It's hard to be objective about your own face!) The shark cartligae is expensive and somewhere I read something about adverse effects if you take to much over time. I can't remember more than that since I wasn't taking it anymore. I would bet that whatever is being produced in Finland is this. I beleive the original studies for shark cartilage and cancer came from somewhere in Europe.Let me know if you find out more info Good luck! Lynn
Hi Lynne: Re: Vivida, there is a comparison of Imedeen and Vivida on this site: http://www.healthwatcher.net/Imedeen/imdn-medline.html http://www.theauroragrp.com/welcome.htm This is the US Distributor for Vivida (I purchased it from there). They are called The Aurora Group, I believe located in New Jersey or there abouts. I still have yet to test in out....I had a bad reaction to the Glucosamine supplements, so I don't know how I will react to this....the base is shell fish. Good luck! All my best, Olympia Olympia, Thanks. I checked out both sites. But I can't find Vivida itself on the 2nd site. They sell Viviscal and some other nail product, but no skin product as far as I can tell. How did you order your Vivida products?? I can't seem to find it on that site. ~Lynne
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To Becky Re: Make-Up Jun 30, 2001 Tried Clinique Superfit today. Found a great color match & my 2l yr old daughter complimented me--that's unbelievable (my worst critic). Thanx for the tip. Can someone advise where I can get Laura Mercier? I've heard & read about the concealer frequently but have never run acrossed it.
Terri IP: 130.101.2.122
I want to try the concealer for some redness still visible at the corners of my eyes that are still visible from upper/lower eye lid surgery. Also some blotchy pigmentation on my lower jaw probably from sun damage. My daughter worked for a professional model who used MAC. She tried some of the model's products and liked MAC's powder. When we go to Nordstrom's to buy the powder, Ill be sure to check both Mercier & MAC concealers. I have to wear foundation & what seems to work best is after I moisturize my face, I then apply a mixture of foundation & moisturizer (mix in palms). Its like im wearing tinted moisturizer, but better because I can control the amount of coverage. Thanks for your help gals.
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Skin firming cream Jun 29, 2001 I started flexing back in April and am very pleased with the results. I recently started using Jergen's Skin Firming Cream at night after I wash my face and it seems to be helping a lot as well. I've noticed my skin isn't as loose around the eyes and cheek area. I believe that by doing the Flex Effect Exercises and using the cream I am turning back time. Sometimes I think it takes a combination of things to get the full effect. I can say that Flex Effect has been a very beneficial tool and I wouldn't advise anyone to give up....it takes TIME! Has anyone else used any firming creams and also noticed a difference? I think more than anything it has helped with the clarity of my skin. I'd like to hear what the rest of you think. Thanks Deb and everyone else! Cindi IP: 206.162.214.11
Hi Cindi
Hi...thx for tip! I have had good results with firming booster serums from Hope Aesthetics also. I have not tried a great deal of skin firm. crms...as yet...lol. Like the ones I have tried. Chanel has excellent one also. Jean
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Ordering Retin A Jun 28, 2001 Ok Retin A users, Have any of you all ordered from the Mexico company listed in the archives? How did it go? I'm a little leery of ordering from them since they aren't in this country,etc. Can anyone share their experience with this company. Thanks, Janet IP: 216.12.50.36
Hi Janet
Janet: I ordered some Retin-A from a Mexican company that was posted here a year or so ago. Yes, it was cheap, around $12 or $15, however, I ordered the wrong strength (.01%) which is the weakest. They only make the .01% in a gel and .05% in a creme. I was thinking I was ordering the .1% (the strongest). The Retin-A came in a green and white aluminum tube and smelled a little different than what we have here. I didn't use it but maybe one or two times because I'm used to using a stronger strength. As far as the company being reliable, they are, but it takes around 4 weeks to get the Retin-A and you don't have to send your check until the Retin-A arrives. I haven't ordered the .05% creme yet but may consider it when I run out of the Retin-A I purchased here. Becky Hi Janet I've ordered the Retin A twice now from the Mexico address. It's $16.50 plus S&H which comes to $19.50 for 40 grams .05% cream. It's working. Actually, I'm not using it on my face, just on my age spots. I noticed the biggest change in the darkest ones. I have one on my leg that was dark brown and now it's light brown. The first time I ordered it I was able to pay for it after it came. Since then they have sent an apologetic letter stating that payment would have to be sent with the order. I got it within a week. My sister got it within 3 days. Hope this helps. By the way, when they answer the phone they usually just say "Ola." They do speak English. Just start telling them what you want. Rita
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Face lift / wrinkle product May 30, 2001 I sent a message earlier, but I thought you might not scroll back so Im sending it again. Taut is the name of the product. Ive used the masque and it does work for a temporary lift. However, i haven't checked into the other products on the site, but they sound interesting. Cher is supposed to be using them. The man who sells them is a makeup artist and the way he started this line is interesting. He was at a trade show and saw some people with this masque on their face. He said they looked liked burned victims and thought it would be perfect to use in the motion picture industry for actors in "burn" scenes. He started using it on his clients, and after they had it on for some time he was amazed to find when they removed it that their faces were lifted and appeared younger. Everyone wanted the product so he began mfg. the line himself. You can check it out at www.tautcosmetics.com
Terri IP: 206.187.150.29
Hi! I tried Taut some months ago..was o.k. (seemed a little drying to my 'mature' skin...but overall nice product; I liked their Aloe you apply after). I read someplace ? that aging is one of life's harshest realities. The culture we live in equates the thoughts of growing, and worse 'looking' "old" inspires fear, loathing and insecurity --and a cool $2 billion was spent on anti aging products last year! That is a lot of people trying to stop the clock it said!........true. I am one of them! Face lift in a bottle is the biggest seller! of course! and why not? who doesn't wish for it to be that simple ..I sure do! A lot of 'liquid face lifts rely on a wheat protein for heavy lifting. Decleor Instant Beauty Booster is one, Lancome Renergie Serum is another (soya extract helps smooth and lift the skin. Avon has a new patented molecule that will help prevent sag! and on it goes....Biofirm 2000....NV Perricone...tons of skin rejuvenating and firming serums...most exceptionally good; however, no single product can 'lift' your face. Think about that one. Just remotely consider what a cosmetic surgeon goes through to achieve a face lift! These products will enhance and improve...and that's a good thing, but they are not going to REALLY 'lift' the face. The best wrinkle creams (I have read) are Chanel Lift serum Extreme (see results within days)....I have not tried so don't know if true. L'Oreal Plentitude Revitalift Anti wrinkle firming cream...(tightens). (does). I have used essential oil combos that really do work very well also. So we all have just tons upon tons of options! cool beans!! I am betting by the NEXT generation, they WILL HAVE a 'face lift in a bottle'!!but alas, as for me and my generation, must content ourselves with what is available and what is realistic. darn! lol! THANK GOODNESS FOR FLEXING ....or my face would be in my collarbone by now!
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Copper Peptides and facial hair May 30, 2001 I was wondering if any of the copper peptide users have experienced increased facial hair. I had read about this on the skin bio web site research and also saw the question posted on Dr. Pickart's board. I really really like the results that I'm achieving with the CP products. But I have slight "peach fuzz" on my cheeks and chin, which has been a big concern and I don't want more. Also, Does anyone have recommendations for removing blond, fine, facial hair? Thanks, Leslie IP: 64.26.163.188
Hi Leslie
Vaniqua.....rx....ask your doctor or pharmacist
I haven't had any problems with "extra hair" and I've been using Copper peptides for the past 4-5 months. But of course that doesn't mean you won't.have looked on this site: healthnbeauty.com go to forum and do a search for facial hair to see what any one else has had success with. Bye Lynn Hi Lynn
Did you notice an appreciable reduction of wrinkles with the copper peptides? I'd like to hear other peoples' results before I buy ,yet, another, product. Thanks. Diane Hi Diane I have been using other things also, so don't know exactly which to attribute results to! But I do feel the CP's greatly improve appearance of wrinkles...that is just my personal opinion and based on nothing more than my own use of the products.I have not 'eliminated' any wrinkles any other way but flexing....and flexing does not actually target wrinkles at all...but the lift created has a definite and continuing effect on softening and minimizing. The skin care system I have opted for has greatly contributed to the overall picture. What works for one may do zilch for another, so best thing is to get samples and try them if you are hesitant to invest. There is much readily available information on these products. If you have deep set in wrinkles w/major sun damage, chemical peels are an option...laser resurfacing.....microderm for polishing the skin...check out some of the Derm. sites for a multitude of info on these procedures. sunscreen is your best protection against future snow-balling effect damages.
Diane, I remember reading a while back on Dr. Pickart's posting site that his longtime customers have reported reduction in wrinkles after 2 years of using the copper peptides. I personally have been using the cp serum since Jan. I had a very uneven skin tone...blothchiness and some hyperpigmentation. Now my skin color is even. Blotchiness is gone and the pigmentation spots have faded alot and continue to fade. Also some fine wrinkles have smoothed out but I can't say if that is due to the cp use or flexing. Bonnie
Hi Bonnie
Thanks, Do you use any of the other products in conjunction with the serum?
Diane
Hi Diane
I have only used the serum so far but I plan to try some of the other products since I am so impressed with the results I have gotten. I have never used anything like this before that has made such a huge difference in my skin. I do use an aha product also (drugstore brand). Bonnie
Hi Diane, I started flexing and Retin A at about the same time, then added CP a few months later. This was all about a year and a half ago. I can tell you there is a great improvement in the lines in my face, in fact when I don't smile or frown or make goofy faces :-)the lines are very fine and minimal--barely there. What made the improvement therefore isn't so clear! Maybe I can attribute it to all three? Sorry I can't be of more help. However I heartily DO recommend the CP for skin irritation due to Retin A. BTW, I'm 44 and most people now guess that I'm around 30. People who haven't seen me in a while or who didn't know me ten years ago and see an old photo say, "HOW COME YOU LOOK BETTER NOW!!???" in surprise :-) Sadie
Hi Leslie Funny you should mention that! All of a sudden I started getting fine thin blond hairs on the sides of my face...actually got pretty thick!! I used NADS to get rid of it. I can't remember if it happened when I started using CP...I do know it was a sudden thing! I think I will experiment and not use the CP on the sides of my face, see what happens... Sadie
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Encos for wrinkles May 29, 2001 Hey all...did some research and found something new for wrinkles. Anyone heard of this stuff? Encos?? You can find it at www.smithnat.com. What think all?? Lynne IP: 205.188.197.166
Hi Lynne:
I think we are the most dedicated wrinkle patrol group on the face of the earth and beyond!!!! lol. thx for the site; of course, I will go there....must...supper can wait. I have my priorities! lol. I love all this info and input and opinions; I really do. I think is great a group of relative strangers can come together and offer info, facial ex strategies and variations,cosmetic products, weight lifting...and whatever. I think everyone has valuable opinions and I love hearing them.
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Heard of these skincare lines? May 27, 2001 For fun, I did a search on face lift creams and explored several sites claiming their miracle creams. Has anyone tried any of these or heard of them? I'm so satisfied with everything I'm using now - but I am vulnerable to exploring these! I found flexeffect by exploring the net this way, and the products and the discussions with everyone have been invaluable to me reaching my goals. Anyway, These are a listing of the sites: 1. alternativehealthdiscovery.com 2. advancedlafemme.com 3. universitymedical.com 4. faceliftinajar.com 5. moodles.com There are tons of these sites, their claims are incredible!!, although I haven't heard of any of these products before. I'm interested in hearing everyone's thoughts!!
Leslie IP: 64.26.163.212
Hi! aha! a kindred spirit!! (0:...I have not heard of any of ones you mentioned..closest thing I have seen to an actual 'feel' of face lift is BioFirm 2000 8-hr face lift. Does make skin 'feel' lifted and "taut"...makes skin feel very nice, but as to actual, visible, physical 'face lift'.....naw. I am certain as can be if one were young and had no sag to begin with, this would work real nice. The very best product I have used for firming qualities is Hydro-Nutritive Firming Mask from Hope Aesthetics (Hopeskincare.com). feels like whipped cream with aroma of jasmine.....marvelous!! has shea butter, rose hip seed, vit c...don't know if this 'develops' collagen (does not claim to) but supports the collagen production process. Really actually does 'plump' the skin. their restorative firming booster serum works very well also. has Rose Mosqueta (which I have come to find out works great on mature skin), grapeseed, carrot seed, wheatgerm w/Vit E and Neroli. These ingred. seem to be in a lot of like-products and they do work great in my opinion.All of these things help and have restorative qualities, but I am betting to get a real honest-to-goodness 'face lift' you have to get a real honest-to-goodness face lift. I think I will settle for the 'restorative properties'. And remember, flexing is going to create lift and fullness and this, alone, is going to vastly minimize your other imperfections! It is fun to scout around and check out all avenues of skin care! I am with you on that one! lol.
Hi Leslie/Jean
Here's a skin care line that lifts the face which Cher uses. Ive tried the mask (Taut) and it works great for a temporary face lift. I haven't tried the other items. www.tautcosmetics.com. Terri
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FYI glycolic peels May 26, 2001 I found a source of unbuffered glycolic peels....on ebay, search under sellers, this seller ID is "instructor5", this is the stuff used by aesthetitians (sp)....she also has her own web page for direct sales.
Pegwillen IP: 137.146.110.57
Hi Pegwillen
What is her website address? Janet
www.glycolicpeel.com
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Copper Peptide Products May 24, 2001 could those of you who use CP products please post what brand, and briefly how it has benefited your skin?......thanks Pegwillen IP: 137.146.110.34
I'm happily using them! I use Skin Biology products because they're the cheapest. They have a sample kit you can get to try.I use their tri-reduction cream mixed with my retin-a about 3 times a week. It seems to keep the retin-a from drying out my skin. Then I use the copper peptide serum the other evenings. I just started with the eye cream so have yet to see how it works. So far I'm pleased with it all. I've been using them for about 4 months now. Lynn
Hi...I use alternately...and am extremely pleased with them all the way across the board!
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Sunless tanners May 24, 2001 With all the exfoliating going on, is there any way to get a "tan" with a sunless tanner on my face? I've been trying the Neutrogena brand for the face without much luck! Has anyone succeeded with any other brand? Sadie IP: 205.129.112.60
Hi Sadie Last summer I tried several different brands for sunless tanning and none of them held up under the use of Retin A and AHA products for more than a day maybe two. If you're going to use them along with exfoliants, be prepared to do frequent applications. Jason
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Topical C May 21, 2001 Does anyone know where to get raw vitamin c (20%) or l-ascorbic acid (20%) in oil? I'm looking for a relatively pure and stableform of topical vitamin c. Thanks. Diane IP: 170.20.200.15
From what I understand, there are very few products that contain stable Vit. C. Primacy 20 is supposed to be one of the few products that contain 20% ascorbic acid in stable form. Check the post previous to this one. I gave some websites that you might be interested in.
Jason
Thanks, Jason
Jason-
It costs $95.00 at Elizabeth Arden. Is that about what you paid? Also, did you also buy the eye gel? If so, how much was that? Thanks. Diane
I bought mine for about $65, not including shipping and handling from the http://www.giorgiomilan.com skin care site. I've cut down on the frequency of using it because I use Retin A, too. The two in combination have a tendency to super exfoliate me. I've been using Primacy about 3-4 times a week now. I did not get the eye gel. If you did and have used it, let me know what you think of it. Jason
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Once again...something new LOL! May 20, 2001 Okay..... This is what I've been doing for about the last three weeks and it seems to be working better than anything I've ever done before for my skin. I gave up on the Kinerase.....was NOT impressed with it at'all. Retin A Micro at night. Then Vit C using Primacy Serum 20 from Skinceuticals in the morning. It DOES take your skin awhile to get used to using Primacy, especially if you've been using Retin A. But let me tell you....if you can tolerate all that....it sure makes your skin look nice, nice, nice. I'm thinkin' I've finally found my "system". Now, I had been using Retin A almost every night but with the Primacy, I do have to cut back a little more. The Vit C will cause some irritation. It may be that like Retin A, it will take a little bit of time for my skin to adjust. Jason
Hi Jason.
What is Retin A Micro? Is that different than Retin A? Where can I get Vit C and Primacy Serum 20? You've got me wanting to try it. One more question. I have liquid Vit C in a bottle that I got from GNC. Is it okay to use that straight from the bottle?
JoAnne
Hi JoAnne
I got my Primacy 20 from georgiomilan.com. Normally, you have to get primacy from a physician, but you can order from that web site without seeing one. Retin A Micro has a different carrier and with less side effects. You will need a prescription for that one. I'm not familiar with the Vit C from GNC. Nearly all Vit. C preparations are not stable. I have heard excellent comments about Skinceuticals Primacy. Apparantly, it is one of the extremely few Vit C products that is stable. You can go to their web site at skinceuticals.com and read about it. Jason
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P&R vs. Procyte May 20, 2001 Hi All, My aesthetician said that if I was going to use CPs to use the Procyte CPs. But she doesn't know anything about P R. Is P&R just as good? It's much less expensive, but is it as effective?? Does anyone know?? Lynne IP: 152.163.197.47
Hi Lynne...
yes I feel it is. Dr.Pickard helped found the Procyte Corp....if all the lit they sent me is correct...and I believe this info can be found on their website. In my opinion, the largest difference is in the packaging. Procyte products are being widely distributed to Derm offices and cosmetic clinics...by Rx only. Availability...or lack of immediate availability pushes up the prices, of course. Is a wanted commodity. They are both excellent products in my opinion, but if I can achieve same results for less and immediate availability.........(now, I have used Blue Copper...and still do here and there, p.m.'s...it is very pricey, but also good product).
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Renova with P & R May 20, 2001 Hi, I just began using CP serum during the day, and Glycolic-8 with P&R at night. I thought I remember reading that some of the Flexers use Renova or Retin-A at night and then apply P&R on top of it at night? Is it best to combine them or use each one separately, on an alternating basis. Skinbio research claims that copper peptides are more effective then Retinoids. Will the copper peptides interfere with the effectiveness of the Renova or the Renova interfere with the effectiveness of the copper peptides, or does the combination at the same time enhance one's results. Or should they be used alternately. Thanks in advance for your advice Leslie IP: 64.26.139.5
Hi! I still have not tried using the 2 together ..I still alternate..Renova apprx 2 or 3 x a wk. now. I believe some of the flexers have used it together with good results...but I haven't tried it yet.
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Products to tighten May 14, 2001 Hi...I have used Perricone. I liked them, overall; however I have found the products from Hope Aesthetics really do have a 'firming effect'..plus best way of all to firm up and tighten is with exercise and massage and drink LOTS AND LOTS OF WATER...just my opinion and my personal observation for my own results. How much 'firming' you are going to achieve with anything depends on how much slack and sag you now possess..took long long time to get it that way; is not going to suddenly stretch taut as a guitar chord. Things help and you will see improvement...but if you expect 100% return of elasticity and tightness, it will depend greatly on age and extent of sun damage or other damage already in place. I am extremely happy with what has transpired on my own face, but I am also elated with even minimal results! so keep on keepin on....try stuff out.....peels should only be done at reasonable intervals...say every 2 or 3 wks for a series (usually 6)..starting with a very low percentage...if you opt to go that route. (I have had excellent results with them...but not for everyone I am sure). And if you have peels you must always wear a broad spectrum sunscreen for rest of your days (we should anyway!) Taking care of skin is truly not all about looking good, it is about the health of your skin, which can only show benefits if the cells are healthy to start with...and new cell growth is encouraged..that is why I feel exercise is so vital to health of your skin...along with reasonable and researched skin care. (AND I STILL LOVE RENOVA, USED WISELY AND ALTERNATELY).
was wondering what products you ordered from Hope and what you think at this time. Besides the BHW Antioxidant I have been using the eye gel and am very impressed. Unfortunately I wanted to try Angels Guard, the zinc, titanium sunscreen but they are out of it while waiting to harvest some plants in the next month that are needed for the essential oils. Did you get to order that? I would like to try the CO Q cream, the sample is really good.
I am using the BHW cream...Angels Kiss...Bellisima (pm)..alternating the boosters...Restor. Firm. and the Serum di hope.....really like these products immensely. Also the eye cream and I am impressed too! Also using the Intensive Hydrating booster w/ moisturizer a.m. I use Angel's Kiss around lip lines...really really softening. I have ordered the cleanser (the gentle one) and the botanical toner. I want to try the new one coming May 25th. Also would like to try the COQ cream too. I have been using these exclusively 2 wks on.....then using copper peptides one wk in between...no reason; just way I am doing it. The results have been where I think I will just keep doing it this way! I notice humongous difference on body skin with this 'method'! I'm happy with it. I used products with EO's back last summer for apprx 6 or 7 mos.....but NOTHING like the benefits these seem to offer. I have been lucky in that my skin seems to 'respond' to everything..lol....but it REALLY responds to this regimen...for whatever reasons. I really don't care for whatever reasons...just very pleased! Of course, flexing, and encouraging blood flow keeps the whole ball of wax going!...and improving. I think I actually look better in my late 50's than I ever did in my early 50's..that is way good enough for me! I like the fact that part of the proceeds from these products (Hope) go for cancer research. And that they are developed in a cosmeceutical lab and patented. I like this factor!
Hi Jean I know that you are beautiful, inside and out. I, too, have used EOs for a long time but the combo of Hopes products really work for me also. I was always trying to figure out what oils and creams to use. I am a big believer in the powers of shea butter, it is so nice to have an all natural product that takes the quess work out of it for me. I am also using the papaya face mask, love it. Think I will try some of the products that you are using. What I love the most in any product is seeing the long term results. Where skin continues to improve. Thanks for all you info
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The wrinkle cure May 13, 2001 Hi All, Just wondering if anyone else has tried the Perricone products, and if so, what kind of results they had. I just started using the products the other night, so of course I haven't seen any results yet. (Wouldn't it be great if you could just use a product once and all your wrinkles would hyper-space??)Anyway, I found his book quite inspiring, so I decided to try the lip plumper, his undereye therapy kit and the evening facial emollient with alpha lipoic acid. I'm planning to alternate this with Retin-A at night and use my copper peptide stuff during the day. (I figure I'll have all my bases covered this way.) So...just wondering if anyone has been able to eliminate any wrinkles using the alpha lipoic acid products in particular.I'm hoping this will work. Lynne IP: 152.163.197.181
Hi Lynne I haven't tried any of Perricone's products, but I was interested if the products you purchased has the DMAE in it? He said it actually has a face lifting (tightening) effect on the skin, and I was curious if any product really could do that, especially since he said you can see a difference immediately. I would assume the lip plumper must have it in it. Did you notice a difference in your lips immediately after use?I don't know if DMAE is readily absorbed into the skin, but I just bought some liquid from the health food store to give it a try. I also got alpha lipoic to take internally in pill form and I was wondering if I could crush & mix it with the DMAE to see what would happen. One last thing, Paula Begeon's (the cosmetic policewoman!) latest book did not give much hope concerning Perricone's products, although she did say his credentials were impressive. She wasn't convinced they'd do what they said; she also reported that the only benefit for CP was for wounds/burns--not aging. I just ordered the CP #3, Im going to evaluate it for myself. I understand you're having good results with it. Oh, one more thing. If Perricone's products you purchased have the Ester C in it, I was told by Skinbio not to use the CP for at least l2 hrs, as CP kills the C. It sounds like you're already aware of that, but I thought Id mention it for anyone who might be interested.
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Hi All i just got back from getting another crystal peel and the woman who does my peels said that Perricone's products don't really work. But then