Under eye area / home-made cosmetics Aug 14, 2001
I am a new flexer, just bought the book and the tape two weeks ago and I have been
practicing daily. I have very few lines on my face and intend to keep this way
through your program.
However, I am a little alarmed at the following situation. I have noticed that since
I started this regimen, I have lines under my eyes when I smile. I did not have
these before and they are quite unsightly. They make me look older. Is this
temporary? If so, when do things get better rather than worse?
Also, I have tried mixing liquid vitamin C, NaPca, selenium and MSM and have found it to
be tacky on my skin and also smell a little funny. I did not know the proportions.
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks for your help and a great website!
Most flexers go through an awkward stage in the first few months of
starting the exercises. It's the hardest stage to get through and the faint of heart will
fall by the wayside. It is NOT uncommon for you to notice at first, what appears to be
worsening lines; however, as you continue the program and the muscle beneath and even the
skin firm up, this will occur less and less. Hang in there through this stage;
you'll be happy you did. Come back to the board often to keep motivated as well. It
will really help you.
The new before/after photos
Aug 14, 2001
Hi Deb, Those photos are incredible. I would LOVE to know exactly what exercises she
did to get those wonderful and amazing results around her eyes. A big WOW!
Will she come on the boards and share her secrets? Hope so!
Especially her upper eyelids! I've had success there but nothing as amazing as hers!
I agree and I appreciate Andrea doing it. Hope she
can share her workout info. AND THANKS FOR THE PHOTOS.
Well, they say a picture is worth a 1'000 words.
I am just blown away with the results Andrea has achieved.
Congratulations Andrea and thank you so much for sharing your success with us.
I have an idea.(sometimes I do that) I thought it would be a great idea to find all
of Andreas post from when she first started training and attach (link) them to her
photo page... I lost a huge section of Posts (in file) months ago when my PC went
down, but at least I have the beginning of Andreas training. What I really love is
that she was soooooo skeptical in the beginning. This lady tells it STRAIGHT-UP! Ya
gota love her. Most of you know her but just havent put it together. Until I
get everything up...Go to the Skin Product Page in the Archive and scroll down to Post
Ill let you know when all is up. BTW Andrea said she has more Photos!
Also, I'm getting photos from another Flexer, she had been training for some
time and then decided to take my class in
the Bay Area (SF). I love it when I get to meet existing Flexers... What a cutie!
Andrea's results got me REALLY going all out on my upper lids! What the heck am I
doing wrong? My upper lids are still very hooded. Mine look like Andrea's
BEFORE picture! And I've been
at this longer (sigh). I'd like to know what exercises she did too and how many reps
to what count. Hope she comes on the board.
Results ARE going to vary depending upon the amount of genetic fat
in your lids. Andrea's were due to muscle atrophy/sag which responds excellently to
FlexEffect exercises. Therefore, you may
not be doing anything wrong per se. To determine whether this is gentic or atrophy, look
at pictures during your twenties. Were your eyes hooded then? I have hooded eyes and
always have had (more guys seem to than women) and this is something that will not change
because it is not due to muscle atrophy. Should you continue to work the lids? ABSOLUTELY.
Because if you don't the
sag plus fat will cause them to evenutally be in your lap!!!
LOL! I WILL keep working on my lids. Don't want them ending up in my
lap! You cracked me up. I do have a picture where I'm 27 and NO hooded lids.
So I know there is hope then and I am very encouraged now to really go after them.
I have been slacking off on the exercises for the brow and think that is probably
why I haven't been seeing much improvement in the upper lids. So I
have to be more diligent and keep working!
Under eyelid Aug 4, 2001
I have a question for I have run out of patients after several years of facial excersises.
I have bags under my eyes I have been doing the facial with no results. My doctor said he
would do surgery for the under and upper eyelids but, I was hoping to do this in a natural
way. My eyes have improved but, the fat pockets are still there I have two fat deposits on
each eye. One under the eyes and another above the cheek. what can I do to disolve the
Read post #l726 asking a similar question.
If the fat accumulating under your eye is genetic (not due to
sagging muscle) then facial exercises will NOT alleviate it. Some people genetically have
more fat pads under the eye. When this occurs cosmetic surgery becomes a good option.
Myself, I have never heard of any natural products or exercises that will spot disolve
fat. I'm sure it would be an extremely popular product if it did so.
In your particular case, you will probably become exceedingly more frustrated with facial
exercises since it sounds like a genetic problem you're fighting and not atrophy.
BUT it can make it look a lot better, i had a
lower bleph done 4 years ago, and the fat is coming back, and probably the muscle was
slipping, i have been doing a ton of lid pulls and JUST AS IMPORTANT IS CHEEK RAISER, i
was not seeing results till ,i started doing alot of cheek raiser along with lower lid
lifts ,any way my eyes look so much better, many people have commented on how i was
looking crappy a few months back, and now how much better i look, now granted the fat is
minimal, so if you have a ton of fat ,just do the lower bleph, then when healed do the
cheek raiser,and lower lid lifts, but if you don't have to much fat, and you just look
tired, try the cheek raiser and lower lid lift, it gets rid of that transparent blood shot
look,you know where you see thru the skin ,like you have bad allergies or crying and you
can see like a purple reddish crap under the eye, man my skin looks thick and totally
opaque now, so even though i still have some fat there, it looks tight, best example i can
give is look at how your eyes look ,if you pull your skin at the temples back so that it's
pretty tight under the eyes , if that looks alot better under your eye like way less
transparent looking, and less baggy, that's how it can look from these exercises, but if
you have so much fat that its bulging like bill clinton, forget it, get the bleph then
when healed do the exercises
oh by the way, i don't worry about pulling skin,
sometimes i even put my fingers on the middle of the lower lid right above the cheek, i
still have a little bit of fine lines but as a whole it is a lot smoother, and
doesn't bother me, i don't even notice em, unless i really look
Glad to see you're back and have had success with the exercises! I
know you had a little bit of a rocky time at first. Glad to see you stuck it out. That's
the hardest part people have to get through. Getting started then sticking it out through
the initial hard time.
Its been a while since you've posted! Im so glad to hear you hung in with the
Since you were previously having problems with Retin A & trying various other
products, what products did you finally stick with & find the most helpful for the
under eye area?
I know you were concerned about pulling the skin with the lower lid exercise. Did
you continue to do them as suggested in the directions, or did you do your own variation
of the exercise?
I had bleph surgery too. The fats gone but I have a line running from the inner eye
corner curving down into the cheek area. I havn't worked on the Cheek Raiser
exercise beyond the
recommended amount. Maybe I should work this area more. How many times a day
do you do them, at what count, & how many reps? How long before you noticed
improvement? BTW did you also increase the time you worked on the Wink & wide
laugh to build up the cheeks too?
Hi Ya Terri,
how are you? ok here's what im doing, i use
copperpeptides and glycolic 8, every like 3rd or fourth day i use hope under eye stuff,
make sure you don't use on the same day as cp because hope uses vit c, another thing is i
do a variation of message under eye, i take what ever i happen to use whether it be
cp, glycolic 8, or hope ,whenever i put it on i take my middle finger from the inner
corner and smooth across to the outer edge, i do this pretty firmly, man when i
first did this i could feel the liquid under my eye squish , i do it till you don't feel
that any more, now when i do it that squishing never happens any more, that right there is
awesome cause you know you've made progress. Ok every day i do about 10 sets
of lower eye lift holding for about thirty seconds, or till the point where
you feel a little tired and a little sore,not sore to the point of bad, but tired like
doing enough that you actually feel the muscle has been working pretty hard, ,don't
kill your self at first do each set long enough till you feel a little tired ,
so if that means 30 seconds ,cool but if 10 sec is tiring then you be the judge, my
right eye was way more of a problem than the left so, i did it all the time on the right
eye, like watching tv ,any time i wasn't gonna have to be around people for at least an
hour,,cause i look like crap after i do the lower lid pulls, like all purple ,and that
blood shot allergy look etc,so i would do my normal planed 10 rep at 30 sec for both eyes
every night, and then whenever i had down time like watching tv etc i would do the right
eye, i would say i probably did like 20 reps all together at 30 to even 50 sec on the
right eye, compulsive i know, but , its worth it,now im a little less crazy and i do 10
reps holding 30 to 40 sec each rep. not really doing the extra right eye thing on top of
it any more.Here's a tip, when doing the lifts make your mouth look like when you have a
sad face like a pout ,do it as exaggerated as you can, now still trying to keep the
sad face,open your mouth wide,now do the lifts as you always do,but still trying to make a
sad face with your mouth open. this gives more resistance ,and helps to feel it
working the right way.Ok now for cheek raiser, this kicks but, what i like about cheek
raiser is just the color it brings to your cheeks alone will hide the dark circles and
bags, kinda like a tan,then on top of that it tightens the lower lid area where the cheek
and lower lid meet, which really if you think about it is where bags are most
noticeable.Again i did my right cheek more than the left and still do all the time,
i do both sides like 10 reps holding for 30 to 40 seconds, i do the right side on top of
that all the time like driving, on the phone, all the time ,i hold for like 20 to 30 secs
on these extra ones, probably comes out to be like 25-30 reps on the right cheek
every day,what i love about it is, i can do these even if im gonna be around people, cause
i look great right then and there, so if i feel like i look tired i just do
some cheek raisers in the bathroom away from people then come out looking all healthy and
good color in my face, that's why im addicted to em, now for you as a woman i don't
know how that will work for you and your make up, but at least do alot of em at home.Hope
that helps. now i need help on wink, im gonna post a question for jason, and if you know,
any help appreciated, thanks
When you do lower lid lift are you pulling down
& holding right below lower lashes as suggested?
Wink is a new exercise for me since it wasn't on the video & I just got the book.
Eye question Jul 30, 2001
I have serious bags under my eyes caused by fatty deposits beneath the surface. Will
FlexEffect resolve this problem?Also - what do these exercises do for upper eye? (excess
No. FlexEffect will not spot reduce eye bags caused by fatty deposits. If the skin is lax
causing bagging, then yes. But it sounds as if, in your situation, that you have a
hereditary condition of fat accumulating under the eye. Only cosmetic surgery will be able
to remove the fat. Postoperatively, when the area has fully healed, would the exercises be
beneficial in firming and toning the area.
Excess skin for the upper eye could be due to fatty deposits or to lax muscle. If it is
the latter, the exercises will help tone and firm the eye (see Tori's before and after
pictures). It it is the former you will, again, have to consider blepharoplasty for
Re: Lower Lid Pull Jul 5, 2001
I've seen a few questions about Lower lid pull from time to time, and I had received an
e-mail regarding it today, so I thought I would share my answer with ya'all. The question
was regarding seeing the inner red part of the lower eyelid:
No, you should see a little bit of the inner lid when you pull down; however, the amount
of resistance should be moderate and you should lock on to the orbital bone below.
This prevents the
skin from moving at all. Flexers who complain of post exercise crepieness under the lids,
I believe, are not locking on and pulling down on the skin with too much force.
I've had crepie skin under my eyes before flexing and mine is sooo much better now.
Under eye skin Jun 25, 2001
I hope I can get some help. I did this once but am not sure if I didn't retrieve the reply
correctly or isf no one answered but I am giving it another shot. I am looking for some
explanation for getting rid of the bags that are forming under my eyes. I am 41 and am
told I look about 32-34 years old which is great for me. Maybe time is on my side. :)
However, I have been noticing for the past 4 months
that I have formed some sagging under my eyes and have tried a number of firming creams
without success. Please help
Im not a professional on the flex board, so Ill let them answer how the exercises
are performed or you can check the old post under "eyes". But I would like to
comment because I had this problem. If the problem is hereditary, surgery may be
necessary. I tried everything I could think of--creams, laying on a slant board,
cold eye packs, cucumber & tea packs, accupressure, eye masques etc. You name it, and
Ive probably tried it--along with using every make up trick & concealer out
there. Even exercises didn't help because I just had too much excess skin--the same
condition my dad had. Blephroplasty was the only way to remove it. You first
need to determine why you
have the bags. Is it too much fat, too much skin, fluid retention (particularly in the
morning), allergies to something your eating or some product or environmental thing, lack
of sleep, a stressful ongoing situation, illness etc.? Once you determine that, you
can select the right route to take. I will say though that exercises still made my
eyes look better than when I didn't do them--but it wasn't enough in my case.
Great post! So true. If bags under the eyes is an
inherited condition, exercising and products will only take you so far. Ya gotta get rid
of the accumulated fat.
The FlexEffect program does address this problem. If you would like
more information on the program, click on the links at the top of any of the FlexEffect
pages. You may want to take a look
at Workshop in particular.
Dark Circles under eyes Jun 22, 2001
Hey..this just in:
I just found out from a nutritionist that the probable cause for the darkness under my
eyes (and inside the corners) is actually caused by a toxic liver! Beginning this evening,
I am embarking a major detoxification program involving herbs, juice fasting, etc. I don't
know exactly how long it's going to take, but I will keep you all posted on the effect it
will have on my undereye darkness. This might be the same thing that is causing dark
circles under others' eyes as well. I've also found out that I have a major hormone
imbalance, which has more than likely contributed greatly to the aging of my skin.
Damn!!! Who knew?? (I have other non-skin related symptoms as well.) Of course, I am also
embarking on a hormone-balancing program that I hope will improve the texture of my skin.
Wish me luck... Just thought that you all might be interested in what may be causing some
of your skin problems as well.
Jason Re: eye exercises Jun 5, 2001
Jason you mentioned in a previous post that exercises could help lift the brow if
the problem is not to severe. What is considered a severe problem? I still see my eye lid
in the right hand corner but not usually the outside due to the brow. Sometimes I can see
it all. What do you think?
Hi: For what it's worth, I could not see my
eyelids either prior to flexing. Now I definitely can. I had a right 'lazy
eye' and is now (eyelid) same proportion as the left. The eye exercises are really
effective..one of the areas I noticed improvement first off. Hope this helps.
When looking at someone who has severe atrophy and sag of the
forehead or face in general, I do a little math. Number of months x amount of effort x
amount of sag. If someone has severe sag the
number of months x amount of effort, the time and effort involved to make substantial
change may be too great. Facial exercises will help at any stage but under severe saggy
conditions, you may
want to think about face lifts/brow lifts, etc. in order to achieve the look you want in a
I would need to look at you to see if you're in an advanced state of muscle atrophy.
Generally speaking when the brows have fallen over the eyes causing them to be hooded is
advanced sag. Doesn't mean you won't be able to reverse it with exercise but you ARE going
to have your work cut out for you.Hope that helps explain.
Undereye hollows May 19, 2001
Me, again...with another question. I've been doing the nose lift for the undereye
hollows..but I'm wondering if there is anything else that could benefit this area. Or is
there a variation on this technique that anyone has discovered?
You may want to try doing lower lid lift but with the ring finger
clear into the inside corner of the eyes. You don't need to pull down with this finger
only hold the lower lid in place with moderate pressure. Then contract the lid.
Great workout for the inner canthus of the eye.
I'll try it...
I have a different opinion on the dark circles. I think it depends
on what the cause of your circles is. I have little ones and I did NOT have them all my
life. Mine were caused by the cheek area slipping away from the eye area (sinking down a
bit). Mine are not from allergies or genetic. I think mine WILL disappear if I fill out
the hollows under my eyes. If that is the case for you too, then perhaps yours will also
disappear. Did you always have yours or did they just appear as your cheek began to
sag down in recent years/months? Are they just slight ones just around the lower part of
your eye hollows??
Lower lid massage May
Jason or Jean,
I am finally seeing some improvement in the under eye. The hollows I had are
beginning to fill in somewhat. But I have a fold of skin when I smile under each
eye. You know just slack skin. It is worse under my left than the right. The
left side of my face is the stronger more developed than the right. So I'm wondering
if this could be the cheek muscle pushing up on the lower lid bunching up the loose skin
I'm also wondering does the massage for the lower lids help to tighten the skin? I
have been hesitant to do the massage afraid I would be stretching the skin making it even
The outer portion of my lower lids has built nicely! Just wish the inner part would
hurry and catch up. I have been so obsessed with that area I didn't even notice till
today that the lines I had over my outer cheekbones have almost disappeared! I
really had to hunt for them! So things are progressing SLOW but sure.
Yes, the cheek muscle could be doing that, but there
is probably some skin damage there as well. Continue doing the exercises and hang in
there. It will eventually come along. Massaging should
not cause any slack in the skin. Massage is incorporated in facials and has been for
decades, and it's something I should do more of, I'm sure.
Hi Bonnie! Like Jason suggests, please hang in
there. It WILL get better. I had major problem in this area...so pleased now
with it overall, and yes! I am a great believer in massaging..I REALLY push and
encourage massaging...is so unbelievably excellent in my opinion, and in my case...and I
did not do it either for the longest of time, and basically for the same reasons as you
voiced, but once I began....well, rest is history. Do try the massage. You
will really, truly enjoy the results, immediate and long-term.
Jason & Jean,
Thanks for the reassurance! I will definetely go ahead with
the massage. Jean you have inspired me!! lol
Eyes May 8, 2001
Hi, I noticed that the eye exercises work well but if I stop for a couple of weeks
they go back to even worse. Am I imagining this or does it mean you can never stop?
When you're still in the beginning stages, you will
notice this happening. But once you've really built the muscle and then stop, you won't
see this occurring nearly as quickly. It will happen though because if a muscle is not
challenged and worked, it will atrophy over time. And yes. Like all forms of
exercise used to improve the body, you have to do these for life. There may be times when
you stop for a month even, but you'll have to come back to the exercises to maintain the
lift. Once you really get past 35, the changes occurring in the body are all one way. To
delay and retard that process there are life-style changes that you have to make.
Otherwise, those changes occur more rapidly. We're all going to get older, it's just nice
looking great while we do it.
May 3, 2001
I'm quite worried about my undereye area and would welcome any advice any of you can give
me. Let me describe my problem as it's a bit complex (which is why I need all the help I
can get):When I'm not smiling, I have slight depressions (which cause it to look a bit
dark where the cheek hits the undereye area--I've been told that this is caused by the
cheek separating from the eye area. So, I need to fill in the area a bit. But there's
more: I also have about 4 or 5 lines under each eye--yes,
they're there when I'm not smiling, so they are indeed officially wrinkles, with varying
degrees of depth. When I smile, The area poofs out a bit and I have any accordian-like
look there. Loose skin, a bit of fat--a combo of both, I think. So, how can I decrease the
puffiness (could be fat or fluid, not sure which..but probably a bit of fat)and how can I
tighten the skin there? That's what I believe I really need to do is to tighten the skin
somehow. I'm not having much success with the lower lid lift--I can't seem to isolate the
muscle at all. So I've been doing my own approximation of the exercise which is to simply
squeeze the muscles without the use of my fingers and cause the lower lid to come up to a
semi-closed eye position. Is this doing anything useful?? Help!!
You've got to apply resistance. This undereye
area takes an extremely long time to get into the swing of it...but you will and it WILL
get better. I could not even locate the muscle in the beginning and on into 4 or 5
months of it! But ahso and aha...eventually I 'got it'. practice, practice,
practice...and build, build, build. I started out just simply yanking the already
frazzled skin around..creating all kinds of effects. If you have done the upper lid
for a period of time, you will know how different this feels now from when you started.
You can 'feel' the total diff in the build...the same applies to undereye, just
takes a lot longer and seems more difficult to get it right. I think it is the
hardest of all the exercises to do properly. Repetition will get you to the point
you want to be.
From personal experience, lifting the lower lids
without resistance doesn't do a whole lot of anything. I did it for over a year
before cosmetic surgery and it did not remove a wrinkle or lift the area--and I was
diligent. This procedure helped me find the muscle so maybe it will help you.
Pull and hold the lower lid area down, but don't use a lot of pressure at first just
enough to hold the area down, close your eyes until their just open like slits and try to
look up at the ceiling as far behind you as you can with your eyeballs, but keep your head
straight forward-don't tip it back. You'll feel the muscle quiver beneath your
fingers. If you still can't feel it, try tucking your chin back toward your neck a bit as
you do the exercise, you'll feel the back of your neck lengthen and your head move upward
as your eyes look toward the ceiling. I found as the muscle becomes stronger you can use a
lot more resistance. Hope this helps.
Thanks, I'll give it a shot. What kind of surgery did you have?? Are
you happy with the results??
Hi again Lynne:
I had upper & lower lid blephroplasty--it will be a year ago on
the 23rd of this month. My problem was too much excess skin, not fat (although he
did remove a little). On the lower eyelids excess skin was removed with an outside
incision right below the lashes extending slightly passed the eye. If the problem
would have been fat, he would have removed it with an incision inside the lower rim.
In fact, the procedure had to be done twice more a few months apart because I had
so much excess skin. He wanted to be careful not to remove too much which would
cause the lower eye to pull down exposing the red rim and I would not be able to close my
eyes completely. It still isn't as good as I hoped, and the doc won't do the
procedure again. He suggest laser surgery to tighten it. I don't want to be in
seclution for 2 months while it heals so Im hoping the exercises will do the trick.
Wondering if you were able to feel that muscle? Its even a lot harder when your not
using resistance, but eventually I did. In the beginning, i was lifting my cheek
muscles and using other
facial muscles unconsciously as I tried to figure out how to do it. When I finally
made a conscious effort to isolate the lower eye muscle and keep the rest of my face out
of it, it worked. The best way I could describe it is its like winking without involving
any of your facial muscles--with the addition of
holding that area down & using both eyes instead of one. Practice in front of a
mirror helps too. Eventually it will become second nature & you won't have to think
about it. Good luck.
Thanks for the info. I might have to go that route eventually if I
can't straighten out the area myself. I went for a consultation about a year ago, though
and the surgeon said he advised against surgery at that point. (I didn't have enough fat
to remove.) I'm not sure if mine is too much far or excess skin--or a bit of both! I think
that's the case. I'm just hoping to flatten down the area and get rid of the lines myself
with exercises and products (and a few prayers, of course!) Wish me luck!!!
Top Furrow / Lower Lid Lift Apr 24, 2001
I've been flexing for a few days now and I have some questions about some of the
exercises. First, with Top Furrow: How does this exercise work? When I snear, it doesn't
really seem to exercise the area under my fingers. (I feel it kind of high and then inside
the lines. I'm actually afraid it's going to cause a brand new line for me inside the top
furrow line.) What is the object of this exercise? How does it work to lift out the
furrow? I can't see how it targets the area. To me, it seems that lifting my cheek somehow
would actually work better as it is my cheek that is truly causing the line. Also, for
lower lid lift: I can't really pull down the lash line and if I do manage to get it down a
bit, I can't seem to isolate the movement to lift it. Is it like a squint??
Jason or Deb can better give you the whys and wherefores...but I can tell you the end
result. You will feel this muscle (top furrow) building as time goes on..actually
feel it with your fingers when performing the ex. It does help with the
furrow...this is really hard area to get results, but you will as is a strong muscle
action there. I immediately noticed increas in thickness (or that is what it
feels like)..is very noticeable..and you will find that the case too I am betting.
Do not worry about 'causing' lines....if anything develops that was not there before, it
will even out as the rest of the area
builds...or at least has been my experience. Lower lid is so hard to do because you
really can't feel the muscle initially; I know I could not at all...did not know WHAT I
was pulling; just assumed there was a muscle in there somewhere...it will come. This
one takes a lot of practice it seems..and seems to be a bugaboo for all of us initially.
Just work through it and don't get overly discouraged. All of this takes time
Getting nervous Apr 21, 2001
ok im turning into a crazy person im sorry for all the buging ,but,
i always had a little bit of wrinkling under my right eye, but now that ive
been flexing hard more under my right eye than the left, im seeing deeper lines than ever,
and its not just for the hour after i do the exercise,its been for like4 or 5 days,
i have never seen this , and in the last week or so, BUT, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE
PUFFINESS IS WAY DOWN, so whats the deal? i mean i can really feel its working, it feels
tighter, it feels like its working ,and the bag is vertually gone even when i dont sleep ,
even like a week a go i had a bag , and i uped my count to 15 for ten sets, and
thats when i could really feel the tightnig and see it flaten out this week, BUT the
wrinkles are scaring the hell out of me, DEB or Jason please tell me why when its
getting tighter and i can really feel a difference, would the wrinkles get worse, is
somthing happening when you really get changes under the skin which causes the
wrinkles to look more agitated and the skin almost looks looser, even thouh its flatter?
It more than likely is due to the loss of natural
emollients in the skin. Use a moisturizer after flexing. It sounds as though you are
making progress. Give the skin time to readjust and shrink down to the flatter lids. Don't
panic yet. Be consistent and keep flexing. Also, back off the Retin A and use once every
third night while your intensifying your flexing of this area.
I can't pretend to be an expert here. In fact, I have the same problem area as you do, so
I've been watching your posts and getting nervous right along with you! It does seem to me
though that what's happening with you is that you have somehow managed to remove some
excess fluid and/or fat tissue underneath your eyes and that has created looser skin that
is now wrinkling. I hope for your sake (and for all of ours) that you will be able to
reduce the wrinkling now. Try the products for the wrinkles. Maybe some extra collagen and
elastin will tighten that area up for you. I truly hope so! I await the responses to your
post and hope that you will keep us all informed of any improvements you see to that
area...The best of luck to you! I'm praying for you!
I had this same problem also and big time; however,
after 10 mos of flexing it seemed to 'adjust' itself and the area has firmed up....again,
left side responded faster than right side? I never have quite figured that out;
guess I am not asymetrical. I still have lines when I smile, but not when I
don't. I am o.k with having smile lines when I smile. The only way I can
describe the initial crepiness is it 'evened out' and went somewhere? I followed
Deb's advice and really "went after
this area". good luck!!!.....takes t i m e.
hi , jean
wow thanks for the reply, makes me feel better, so
you definalty had some wrinkles that were left when the puffiness went down? even when you
didnt smile right? so then it tightend up the area enough that the lines were not obvious
when you dont smile? thats good enough for me too. what topical creams do you use? also
how reps do you do?
After about the 6 mo mark, I guess it was, I began
doubling up on this area...very carefully. I had to learn how NOT to pull the skin,
only work the muscle. When it is very atrophied and stagnated, as mine must have
been, it is almost an impossibility to work the muscle without pulling the skin, as you
cannot even FIND the muscle to start with! I have used all manner of topical creams.
Definitely Renova..but be very careful using near eye area....I now use Copper
Peptides. Night Eyes is
good from the skinbio site on "Ask The Professionals". I have found a very
good and soothing and non-irritating gel for eye area from Hope Aesthetics. (I
prefer the gels and seem to always go back to that form around eye area). Massage is
good also...gentle. I have tried eye products containing Retinol, but for me, these
seem to dry out that already thin and dry area further. But they work great for a
lot of folks! Just try diff ones; you will land on one that is effective for you.
(a lot of places will gladly give you samples to try before you buy). I seem
to prefer the EO's and aesthetic products for eye area...works the best for me...to date.
good luck! It is very difficult, I know, when you are trying so hard and seem
to be creating more problems than good...but keep on trying...you are
creating strength and build and firmness, it just simply isn't an instant fix. T I M
so do you still use renova with copper peptides?and the gel from
hope astetics? do find that the renova is nessesary along with cp to help get rid of the
old skin, or does the cp and eye gel work fine for you?
Wrinkles Apr 16, 2001
ok , now im a little nervous, ive been doing eye pulls for like
2months especially my right eye, and i try to be carful to keep my fingers close to the
lash line as possible, but my wrinkles under my right eye are looking worse not just after
the exercise, so jason or deb, is this part of the process, and or
what other things do i need to make sure i do when doing this exercise ,? and if i am
doing somthing wrong ,which i cant think im doing that wrong, cause i can feel the muscle
working when i do it right, but if im pulling to much on the skin will that cause
You might at first see, especially post exercise,
what appears to be increased wrinkles or crepieness. After you've been doing the exercises
for some time you'll notice that as the muscle firms up, so does the skin. NONE of these
exercises will cause any permanent lines or wrinkles. I've done them for over two years
and have not put one line on my face at all. In the beginning when I first started
though I, too, was worried. But now I'm probably more aggressive at the exercises than
anyone so if
anyone should have formed a line, it would be me! I generally hold my counts to 30 and 40
and do about 3 to 4 sets per exercise in my routine. Do give the exercises six months, at
least, to see what you can achieve.
Hang in there!
Jason, you stated that none of these exercises would cause permanent
wrinkles so are you saying if Kevin stopped the exercises right now the wrinkles that he
says have appeared since starting the program would eventually go away. This would
make me a little nervous as well.
Thank goodness for this message board.
The exercises do not cause wrinkles. Post exercise
you may notice temporary lines which occur but as the muscles strengthen and firm up this
will become less and less. As you become a seasoned
flexer you will notice that the exercises will reduce whatever pre flexing wrinkles that
you may have. It may not eliminate them but you will notice a softening. The real changes
will come in the reversal of sag. The condition of our skin is greatly dependent on the
amount of environmental insult it has sustained over our lifetime. To dramatically improve
it beyond what flexing can accomplish, you're going to have to protect it. So what is
causing Kevin's wrinkles or anyone's for that matter? Not the
exercises but the amount of damage from the sun, diet, stress, smoke, not to mention the
aging process in and of itself. Ninety percent of wrinkles is caused by inadequately
protecting our skin
from sun damage.
Most people began flexing due to skin problems, but the two conditions of damaged skin, in
the form of wrinkles, and muscle atrophy are two different equations yet also
Damaged skin is damaged skin and while flexing may help to fill out and soften wrinkles,
it is NOT going to reverse a lifetime of damaged skin, increased blood flow from
exercising or not. A
person is going to have to take more steps than exercising to protect the skin from harsh
I have assiduously protected my skin for the last several years in
addition to nursing my skin with products to help it repair itself from the decades of
abuse I exposed it to. Both exercise and proper skin care is essential in order to obtain
your desired results.
Hope this long winded explanation has helped! LOL
hi, i believe what jason is saying is not to stop , this happens i
guess to alot of people and you want to keep building thru it, once the muscle fims up the
lines tighten, and i assume since its from agitating the area in some way ,that yes if you
were to stop once the area wasnt agitated it would be fine, but im definatley not stoping
im confident based on what jason said and many others.
Smiling eyes... Apr
I have no obvious crows feet (thanks to the program). However,
the exercises in the video do not address this problem:
Whenever I smile broadly, my face creases in the area immediately above my cheek and below
my undereye into deep wrinkles that extend (at a downward angle) into deep crows feet.
It's the most awful thing I've seen and don't know what to do.
I would think the best exercise for this is Wink. And it is not in the
video but it is in the book. Also Cheek Raiser will help this problem as well. It has
Also people who are thinner tend to have this problem more than robust people. I've
noticed this tendency even in the thin, young mid-twenties something. The only difference
is that they generally have more collagen in their skin so that when the face is in repose
you don't see any lines; however, you do see animated creases in the upper outer cheeks.
The exercises will help this to some degree; more subcutaneous fat tends to help, too.
I've noticed when I've gained some weight there is less
Wink goes like this:
Working one side at a time, place the middle and ring finger just below the outer corner
of the eye. Firmly press downward and hold. Contract the muscle by drawing the corner of
the mouth up
to meet the outer corner of the eye. (Sideways grin).
Hold for a count of 6. Repeat 10 times.
My tear glands have been working overtime.
For example, whenever I lie on my side (and my head is tilted), tears form in the
corner of my eyes and must be wiped away. Would it be from
doing the lower lid exercises? If so, is this temporary? It seems to stop
whenever I quit doing the exercise for any amount of time.
I have never heard of the exercising causing this; however, we have had
flexers tell us that it has alleviated dry eye syndrome, so I suppose it could make your
eyes more moist. I'm sorry that I
don't have a definitive answer for you.
My upper lip area is
protruding markedly. Would it be from doing the "top
furrow" exercise which requires me to place my thumbs under my upper lip?
yes, the muscle surrounding the upper lip could be growing enough
that it causes it to pout or protrude. Stop the exercise until the lip returns to
normal....May take a week or two. This has
happened to me as well as over building the corrugators giving me the neandrathal look.
Merely stop the exercise until they atrophy a bit. Restart the exercises then every other
day. This is a good
sign that you got the build you want and now need to maintain it at the proper size. You
may find yourself even backing off to two days a week for awhile once you restart, as the
muscle will have
a tendency to hypertrophy to that size again.
Lower Lid Lifts Apr 10, 2001
jason im wondering , since building muscles in the body make them bigger how can i
be sure doing the lower lid lifts wouldnt make the area look puffier because of the muscle
under the skin pushing up
Partly because the palbebral muscle is so small, you don't get the bulkiness associated
with the growth of larger muscles. Additionally, even IF you were able to get some larger
growth the area would look more toned and firm rather than puffy and would take some time
Let me tell you what happened in my case though. As I got into my middle 30s and lost
weight, my cheeks thinned out and I lost a lot of supporting fat in them. This caused my
lower lids and the area directly beneath them to appear slightly baggy. I might hazard a
guess that by building up the cheeks, you might be able to reverse some of the puffy/baggy
look. I don't know that this is your case, but it is something to consider
under eye area Apr 7, 2001
Hiya! Um,okay-I'm in my early thirties & I've had Deb's
flexeffect video for aprox. a year- I did the program for about a week & a half. I
noticed that I had less puffiness under my eyes & the dark circles under my eyes
definitely improved in that short time. But then I got scared & insecure because of
some article I read that was in opposition to facial exercises. I don't know if it was
just the natural aging process or the short time I did the exercises,butafter that,it
seemed that I had aquired a couple of tiny fold lines immeadiatly under my eyes that I'd
never noticed before. So I think all I really need now is some encouragement,someone to
tell me that it isn't going to make my eyes worse
When done properly, the exercises will not cause any lines or wrinkles to form. I've done
them religiously for over two years without causing a single line. While I am a certified
instructor, I have no vested interest in FlexEffect. I donate my time and opinions to the
board free of charge. No kickbacks (darn it! LOL) no salary .....nada. So I have nothing
to gain or lose by telling you this. Go for it. You'll be happy you did!
Ok, Thanks for the reply,
I'll try again.
Puffy Eyelids Apr 4,
Okay, I've been flexing for 2 months now. Got my first compliment yesterday
from someone I hadn't seen in a few months. I thought I looked worse but maybe not.
Anyway, I just noticed some swelling from the top of my eyelid starting from
my inner eye (both eyes) and up about about 1/3 across my eye lids. It looks like
fat pads that some people have but I never had this before. I'm wondering if
this is either part of the awkward stage, a result of the nose lift, or maybe one of the
eye exercises. I hope you can understand my description. Thanks!!!!!
Could be. However, make sure that your not just pulling on the skin while doing the
exercises. Feel for the muscle. It helps me to immobilize the muscle then using the
muscle, push against my fingers. This concept works well with most of the exercises. On
the exercises that require pulling such as cheek press advanced or wide laugh, be sure to
lock on properly and hold the muscle in place as you contract them.
Hollowed eyes Mar 29,
FlexEffect sounds like a great program. Does it do anything
for hollowed-out eyes?
Yes! the eye exercises are wonderful.
This was one of the very first areas I saw improvement (along with cheeks) when I first
began. Lower lid lift takes awhile and you sort of have to 'ride
thru it' and not get discouraged..end results are worth it. These exercises will
build the upper eyelid muscle; you will be able to physically feel and see it within apprx
3 mo period more or less, if not sooner. Great assistance with crow's feet also and
just generally giving this entire area a real definite boost. do all of the eye
exercises...working the muscles, not pulling the skin...this takes a little to get the
hang of it, but you will. You will like what you see!
Sunken eyes Mar 20, 2001
In Tori's 1996 picture she had that 'sunken' eye look. In her 1999
picture it is gone. I have some wrinkles under my eyes and a slight depression under the
eyes and under eye circles. Which
exercise did Tori do to get rid of the depressions under her eyes? I have been
flexing for over 3 months and would like to know which exercise would particularly help
this area.Thanks for your help.
P.S. I get plenty of sleep. The circles are not dark from lack of sleep, but rather a lack
of muscle tone. (I think??)
Tori did all forty of the exercises from what Deb
has told me and others in previous posts. Lower lid pull, however, would be the exercise
to help this area most.
Not enough sleep and bags Mar 20, 2001
ok, jason here we go again,i went to my doctor i had full thyroid check ,blood work on
everything, im totally healthy, i went to the doctor who did my lower bleph, he said there
was nothing there, so i went to another doctor, he said the same thing, but i know how it
looked after the surgery for like three years it was great, then i started having insomnia
and now i have slight bags , even when i sleep , but what im wondering is if i had a long
period of not getting enough sleep would i have to have a long period of getting enough
sleep to get it looking better? Or should i have seen it go completly back to normal after
like 2 good nites of sleep? Is sleep sort of like flexing where it doesnt just look
diferent in a couple of days, and could not sleeping enough cause perminate bags?
Are the only type of bags that are perminate from fat?Ive been doing eye pulls and dermal
tone , and its still not going away , and yet the doctor says theres no fat there, i think
there is more fat there but not enough to do the bleph again, Last question is does lack
of sleep cause the fat to grow ? if i had no bags and in like three months of not getting
enough sleep had bags that dont go away after like 2 days of sleep did the fat grow back
Lack of sleep will not cause fat to grow under the eye. Fluid imbalance, lack of sleep,
diet high in sodium are possible causes of an under eye baggy appearance. However, if
you've been having
problems sleeping and continue to have problems periodically, this could be the major
culprit. I've read that lost sleep can't be "caught up" on. The way to prevent
sleep deprivation is to make sure you get a full 8 hours each and every night. If insomnia
continues, it's best to consult a doctor that
specializes in sleep disorders.
Since you've ruled out most health problems, and most likely any fat regrowth, and you're
eating a health diet with plenty of fluids (right?), insomnia would seem to be the
I personally would speculate that if you've had a long period of
insomnia and continue to suffer from it from time to time, it may take you several weeks
of normative sleep to reverse what the deprivation may have caused. But again, a doctor
specializing in sleep disorders would be able to tell you much better.
Hope I have in some way helped.
Jason, thank you Mar 17, 2001
Jason, Thanks so much for clarifying upper lid stretch!
As Bonnie said, I don't know what we'd do without all of your support, as well as Jean and
Everyone! Sorry to be asking so many questions but I also am having difficulty with
bottom furrow and wink - plain and advanced and with bright eyes.
I apologize for being such a pain in the neck, but I really do need some help! You
explain things so well and really understand flexing.
Upper Eyelid Mar 16, 2001
Hi Everyone, I'm having difficulty in targeting the upper eyelid and am hoping for
some pointers about how to perform the upper eyelid stretch. I'm not really feeling
this exercise and I tend to stretch the skin a lot. I own the video and book but
just can't seem to get it.
There are 2 other exercises that I'm having difficulty with also, in terms of working the
area and not being able to feel the muscle, but the upper eyelid is my biggest concern.
I had recently discovered how to best perform lower lid lift and feel the muscle,
as was just recently described. It's really
interesting how all of a sudden you "GET IT" and obtain results!!
Thanks in advance,
Okay. This is how you want to be doing upper lid stretch to minimize any stress on the
skin yet still work the muscle well. Just as with lower lid pull, you want to place your
fingers as close or on the lash line as possible. Then push the eyelid open (looking in
the mirror is kinda scarey at this point because your eye is WIDE open! LOL) Then hold the
lid open pressed to the bone of the brow like this while trying to close it. You will
definitely FEEL the resistance of the muscle while the skin moves not at all. Doing the
exercise like this will cause the muscle to grow and thicken, providing absolutely no
stress to the skin whatsoever. If you're seeing a lot of crepieness after doing the
exercises, you need to start revising technique. I LOVE the way my face looks after I
Under-eye area Mar
I'm seeing results everywhere else on my face but the undereye area. I guess my lower lid
muscles are very weak?? I'm wondering if I did lower lid lift maybe three times a day
holding my counts longer if this maybe would trigger muscle growth or would this be over
kill? I've been flexing 11 months now. I'm getting so frustrated with this area. It
just doesn't seem to be responding for me. Any ideas?? I'm not talking about bags as they
deflated long ago. Now just trying to firm up.
I am hoping there is still hope. For me surgery is not an option. Scares me to death!
Hi Bonnie....I know how frustrated you feel. chin up...it will firm up.
This took me l o n g l o n g time...and I just doubled up on
them....I started out too aggressively in this area and was doing it incorrectly for
months to start with! lol...then I 'got the hang of it'.....just work the muscles;
don't pull the skin....if you are like me; took me a long time to even feel where the
muscle WAS....key word here is WAS.....now it is back...or something is working...as area
is smoother there and Jason said flexing will not obliterate wrinkles...but the build does
definitely assist in smoothing out the creases! smoother, better color....just much
nicer! And this area seems to build just all of a sudden; did on me...after long
long time of thinking I was beyond all hope in that area. so hang in there! It
took me a good 5 to 6 mos. to see results there.
Thanks Jean for the encouragement!!
I will continue to press onward. I do think I need
to work on my technique. I really don't FEEL the muscle working as I do in other
areas of my face. I know that in the other areas I would see progress once I could
actually feel the muscle working. I shall really play with this one until I have got it
right! Thanks again for the encouragement!! I shall not give up!
Sounds as if you've had some success with the under eye area already. Many people would
love to rid themselves of bags under the eyes. Congratulations on that! The under eye area
is a particularly difficult area, even cosmetic surgery has only limited success with
improving crepieness and firming up this area, so continue with your exercises. I would
caution you from tripling up on the exercises as I believe you might over stress the
muscle. There is a trick to the lower lid pull. You do want to make sure your fingers are
right on the lash line. The reason for this is that it takes more pressure off the skin.
Remember we're targeting the muscle not pulling on the skin. I believe a lot of people
perform this exercise incorrectly then see more crepieness under the eye post exercise.
When done correctly, you will see improvement. It's my experience that a lot of times
people are placing their fingers too low on the lid thus resulting on pulling the skin
more than the muscle. Hope that helps.
Thankyou. I have been placing my fingers too low. Right ON the lash line.
Okay! I've got it now. Thanks for setting me straight!
Under Eye Bags Feb 28, 2001
In a recent post concerning under-eye bags, you stated:"Also observe when you see the
bags, more in the morning or are they constantly present. Does being properly hydrated
seem to reduce them?" Are you saying that drinking more water may reduce under-eye
bags? What other tips do you have for reducing them?Also, can you give a complete
description of how to do the lower lid lift again. Several months ago, you gave an
excellent description and I realized that I was not doing it properly.
However, I cannot find it. Thanks!!
Yes, being partially dehydrated can actually cause the appearance of bags under the eyes.
Proper hydration will help to reduce them, provided of course, that the bags are due to a
fluid imbalance and not fat. I've also seen comments by several people on the board that
myrtle water/spritz is effective in temporarily helping to reduce them. Also sleeping with
your head slightly elevated helps to reduce a baggy look under the eyes. Since I haven't
had this problem, I can't personally tell you how effective that I believe they are;
however, postings on the board seem to indicate that they do help.
I don't remember what I had written for the lower lid lift and I can't find the post, but
if you have a specific question regarding technique, I would be happy to share. In the
meantime, I'll keep searching for that post. You wouldn't happen to know how long ago that
was written? Any questions, just fire back.
Bags under eyes how to get rid of them?
Feb 10, 2001
i always look tired even when im not what can i do about this?
Lower lid lift helps a lot with this area...also
doing the massage will enhance your flexing triple fold. A good eye area masssage
is: using a very light touch on the thin skin around eyes, place middle fingers at
each inner corner of the eyes and index fingers over the brows. Then slide fingers
to the outer corner of the eyes and back again. do this 5 times. also all of
the eye exercises in Deb's book really assist in giving you 'bright eyes'. There is
one called 'bright eyes'. Hope this helps. do try massaging. It really really
helps...and maybe even use a topical treatment of your choice on the area. when
using any topical creams around eyes, I have been told to only pat this on the bone around
eye, not d i r e c t l y under the eye...but I am sure there are variations on this,
on what you opt to use. good luck.
Eyelids / Forehead Jan 29,2001
Two questions: I've been flexing for 5 months. I'm noticing that on my upper eyelids, they
seem puffier and I have dark shadows in the corners of my eyes that were not there before.
Will this go away? 2nd question: My forehead lines seem to be getting worse. Will
that go away? I love doing the program though, it feels great - should I back off those
exercizes for a while? Thanks!
After five months, try and evaluate whether the upper lid is puffy immediately after
exercising (post exercise swelling of the muscle) or whether the muscle is beginning to
build (present all the time). The upper lid should begin to look fuller and firmer. If
this is the case, the muscle may have begun to over-build a little and you can back off
this exercise performing 2-3 times a week. The lines on your forehead should not be
worsening by this time. Generally, during the first three months is when most
people seem to see a temporary worsening afterwhich they see steady albeit sometimes slow
improvement. We may need to examine technique. Post back and let me know after what
exercise you see the lines. After I perform mine, I see no lines at all. I can also give
you a couple of different exercises that will help to minimize this as well.
The upper eyelid is puffier all the time which probably means I'm building.
The forehead lines are there all the time also. When I'm doing "Brow Smoother",
the second part of the exercize "once reaching the scalp, firmly pull fingers
downward and at same time raise brows", that's what I'm thinking might be causing
more lines. Also the exercize "Bridge of Nose" has the same kind of
The upper eyelid on the left side is droopier, not puffy as I stated before. My
right eye is fine. The left side has always had more droop, but it's more pronounced now.
Is that normal by this stage?
The upper lid should also be firmer and smoother not just puffy. Be
sure to evaluate that. Also try doing these two exercises for the brow and forehead.
Place four fingers of each hand on brow. While holding the brow down with your fingers,
raise your brow. You should be holding the brow in position to where you see no lines on
the forehead while raising your brow. Hold for a minimum of 6 seconds and
Then do this exercise. Place three fingers just below the eyebrow.
While pushing up with fingers, frown. You should be pushing the brow up against the
muscles. At the same time you can push apart the brow so that no frown lines are created
between the brow. Clear as mud? Hold for a minimum of 6 seconds and repeat 10 times. While
performing either of these two exercises you should hold the brow in position so that you
don't see any lines form when you contract the muscles.
Get back with me and let me know how it goes.
Thanks Jason, I'll try those exercizes. The upper eyelid
puffiness is mostly morning, but in my left upper lid, it is droopier all the time. It
always has been droopier than my right side but it's gotten worse. Is that different
than puffiness in that in time the exercize will lift the droop? Thanks!
Early morning puffiness isn't unusual for most people. Once up and about, gravity and
activity have a way of assisting the body in getting rid of edema accumulated during the
night while being supine. The muscle for your L eyelid may be weaker than your R. If
you're exercising daily, back off the L lid and allow it to rest. It may need more
recovery time particularly if it is substantially weaker than the R. Allow it to rest for
3-5 days before starting in again. Then do the exercise every other day.
If the increased droop was due to muscle fatigue, it should turn around fairly quickly. If
it doesn't, you may need to start thinking about the possibility of something
neurologically occurring. This, however, does not seem to be the case with what you've
told me. If the droop does not improve or worsens, you need to see a physician to
ascertain what's going on.
Help, more concern with eyes
Jan 24, 2001
i used dermal tone ,and i think i used it too strong ,cause my eyes
got worse in last couple months, even though i stopped 2 weeks ago it still looks
bad ,like in the morning i have bags even if i slept and i swear 2 months ago that was not
happening.can these exercises cause permanent damage to very sensitive areas like under
Since I'm unfamiliar with Dermal Tone, I can't really advise you at all concerning its
uses and effects. However, performing facial exercises has not been shown to damage skin.
90% of skin damage is sun related. Other factors causing damage are related to
environmental factors such as smoking, pollution, poor dieting habits, etc.
Bags Jan 23,
ok, i had my bags taken out by surgery 4 years ago, and i was really really happy with it,
even though my eyes would still get dark if i didn't sleep,it didn't bother me, but now
the puffiness is starting to come back,which really looks bad when combining with
darkness. here's a metaphor i notice now when i look in the mirror the darkness looks
really bad,when i pull the eyes with my
fingers so it looks like there isn't puffiness it makes the darkness a lot less
noticeable,like when i had the surgery done, so can the exercises tighten it up in the
same way as how it looks when i pull it tight with my fingers? im 29 and its not like bill
clinton its just a little puffy. the other question is
will the exercises by building muscle actually reduce the fat pads in the same way that
surgery did? in any case i believe if i can get it to tighten under the eyes like it
does when i use my fingers that would be fine, also does any one think dermal tone |would
help this, im not talking about other face exercise just ...(lost
Since you are only 29, atrophy of the muscle shouldn't be a real problem, but just in
case, try this exercise. Place your three middle fingers under each lower eye lid, just
below the lash line. Gently but firmly pull the lid down while trying to squint or close
the lower eye lid. Minimally hold for a count of six. Repeat 10 times.
Sometimes when a lower bleph is done the Dr doesn't take enough fat
and over time the lower eye bags return especially as the years go by. It's always a
balancing act when this procedure is done. Too much fat taken can cause a droopy looking
eye or worse can cause the lower lid to pull away from the eye creating a chronic dry eye
condition. Too little fat taken can cause little cosmetic improvement and a dissatisfied
Give this exercise 60 to 90 days to see how well your eye is going to respond. And do it
at least 5 times a week. Also getting enough sleep is very important to your body as a
whole and will help to improve your overall appearance and health.
Too many fat pads under the eye is a genetic condition and exercising will not reduce it.
But since some of the fat under your eye has already been removed, try the exercises to
assure yourself that no muscle atrophy of the lower lid has occurred.
Ok im confused as to how come exercise won't reduce the fat, the way it
does for fat in other parts of the body, but any way even if it doesn't technically reduce
the fat ,will exercise tighten the area ? if it will than it will be fine cause like i
said when i pull the corners of my eyes to see how they would look if they were
tighter ,i can see that it would look alot better ,i guess helping reduce the way
light shadows the area, so even if the fat can't be worked away ,will it tighten up with
exercise? Also you
said use my three middle fingers to do the exercise? huh? im confused ,could you clarify
which fingers you mean? also im concerned about doing to much too soon,i dont want to
strain it before its strong enough ,and i noticed that area can be strained very easily
without even feeling as if i did too much exercise causing it to
look worse. I have dermal tone and was using it under my eyes for like 2months and it
almost looks worse,i was doing it stronger than they suggested to use it because it didn't
feel tired at all doing it stronger but it definitely did not get better ,i might get the
flex tapes,but either way im concerned about the fact that this area is not like sit ups
where you can feel your sore knowing when to stop, they... (lost
Use your index, middle and ring fingers and place under each eye. If you do the standard
six minute hold with ten reps, you won't be over straining the lid. Once you've performed
the exercise for a period of time, you can increase either your counts or reps. Having
done the exercises for two years I do three reps to a count of thirty three times a week.
Even working out in a gym, you CAN"T spot reduce fat. Reduction
in fat takes a either dieting and exercise or a combination of both. This doesn't mean
just doing curls. Aerobic exercise of some sort is required. Likewise, you can't just
perform cheek raiser for example and exercise all the fat out of your cheeks. If you want
to lose weight in the face (or gain it) you have to adjust your diet and exercise.
Upper Eyelid Droop
Jan 6, 2001
i have one upper eyelid that has developed a 'crease' in it (droop,sag, whatever...)and is
giving my eyes an off-balance appearance. i've resigned myself to the fact that it
is age that has cause this (i'm 31) and am wondering if there is an exercise i can do get
my lid back to normal. any help you could give me would be great!
Under Eye area Jan 3, 2001
Hi. Everyone seems to have the same situation with lines or crepiness under the eye
doing lower lid lift. For awhile there, mine were definite little creases..almost
folding over. I want to tell you Deb is right when she suggests to 'really go after
the problem areas'. I started doubling up on this ex....it
really freaked me out there for awhile...then viola! it was not mirror smooth, but
flattened out or stretched or firmed, or whatever it is doing in there...and looks m
u c h better. the lines are so tiny I cannot really discern them unless I get
up close in makeup mirror. the outer area of my eye seemed to firm up way back some many
wks ago..the area directly under eye began to swag...but going after it proved to be a
absolute plus! Hope this gives encouragement to this hard to firm up area. I
guess it depends on how much fluid is present at any given time also, as some days, it
would seem very improved and others, it would be back again. But has stayed 'stable'
now for apprx 2 wks.
Thankyou!!! You have given me hope as this area has been a problem for me also.
I have increased my counts to 10 and am going to start doing the ex twice a day and
see what happens.
Love your posts!! So encouraging!!
It is extremely doubtful that this is age related. Contrary to pop-cultural myth, your
body doesn't suddenly degrade to advanced age at 30! LOL. Eye ptosis may be neurological
in nature and may
signal a more serious condition. Do you have any numbness, loss of movement, anything like
that as well? These would be other symptoms that should encourage you to see a doctor.
If this checks out, Upper lid pull and Upper lid stretch would be the two exercises that
Upper lid pull goes like this:
Place your middle fingers on closed upper eyelids. Hold the lids in
place. Contract the muscle by trying to open your eyes.
Tip: Don't push INWARD with your fingers. Push the lid down with
your fingers while trying to open them. If you push inward, you'll be putting pressure on
the eyeball. Not good, k? Try this for the next several weeks and report back. Let us know
if that's working for you. Remember, facial exercise may take a few weeks to begin to show
any results, so don't get discouraged after just a few days. Okay....good luck.
thanks for getting back to me so quickly, Jason!there is is no numbness or anything like
thanks for the exercises and i will let you know how they go!
Deb is working on the eye section of the new reference page. I talked with her over the
weekend and got an update just a short while ago that she would like for anyone who has an
story to let her know, either here or you can e-mail. She's pulling eye-related success
stories from the back pages of the board and should have that section up fairly soon.
I've said most of this before but I'll give a little more detail. If it's too long you can
always edit out the unnecessary parts. After flexing for about a year I figured that the
lines I get under my eyes when I smile was something that I would just have to live with.
Then I read Carols' post about how after two years the lower lid lift was starting to feel
different. You said that it was probably because the lower lid muscles were getting strong
enough to execute the exercise without the upper lids getting into it so much. That
encouraged me to step up my own program. I started doing three or four sets a day of the
lower lid lift, five reps each to the count of twenty. I am now seeing a difference. I
squint my eyes at myself every morning to check my progress and it is definitely
improving. The lines are almost gone. By the end of the day the lines are beginning to
return although they are still better than
they used to be. There is no reason to expect it to stop here. The point here is that
although some areas will take longer, with a little added effort you can continue to
improve well beyond the year mark.
If the lines return by the end of the day, isn't the improvement you
notice just fluid build-up, from the exercise, that is expanding the skin beneath and
making the lines less noticeable? Shouldn't the skin be better toned and maintain the
effect throughout the day? Lotions and moisturizers make the
"appearance" of lines look better for just that reason- fluid build-up.
No, it's not fluid build up. I have no lines at all
unless I smile, never did. Right from the beginning after I did the exercises, because of
pressing on that area, I had no lines even when I smiled. They would come back after a
little while though. Since I started flexing I've been smiling and squinting my eyes in
the mirror in the morning to check my progress because the only way I can make lines is by
squinting and smiling. I mean first thing in the morning, before I wash my face, put on
moisturizer, or do anything at all, right when I get out of bed. Sometimes I thought it
was getting better, other times I didn't. It is definitely getting better now. The reason
it looks worse by the end of the day is just because I'm more tired then. I always look
better when I'm more rested. There is a definite improvement. As Jean says, you get to
know your face very well when you get into this program. You know when there are changes.
You will too. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I've been increasing "crows eye"
to the same extent that I've been increasing "lower lid lift". That probably
helps too. If you lift the outer corner of your eye, even slightly, it makes a big
Line under eyes
Oct 23, 2000
I have a deep groove under my eyes just where it is meeting my
cheek. the lower lid lift does plump out this part but the line is more noticeable
and so does the cheek press. is there any exercise that will build up this line?
I get that, too, from time to time. I have to then back off cheek
raiser and just concentrate on lower lid lift. It then tends to equal out. Also, make sure
that on Cheek Raiser you're getting the muscle up high enough. In other words, make sure
you feel the leading edge of the muscle right up under the lower lid when you do the
exercise. If you don't, the line will be lower and more pronounced, I have found. Try that
out and let us know how it goes, k?
thanks for your prompt reply i'll let u know how it goes.
Face Symmetry Oct 23, 2000
I wonder if you can help me. I am in my late twenties and my right eye is stronger than my
left. This has led to the left eye closing slightly. The left eyebrow is slightly lower
and I feel that the whole left side of my face is sagging slightly - thus making my face
unsymmetrical. Nobody has ever commented on this, but I know that it is getting worse.I
also have quite deep frown lines on my forehead which again are unsymmetrical (falling
towards left eye).I want my face to lift on both sides (especially between the eye and
eyebrow)and also become symmetrical. Is this possible?
Yes, with facial exercises, this is very possible. In fact, if you
were to be referred to physical therapy for this condition, they would start you on
exercises for the face. This is actually where facial exercises play an extremely
important medical function. You might first need to determine if this condition is caused
by any kind of facial nerve damage. Although even if it is, that should not be any kind of
deterrent to doing FlexEffect.
I would recommend that you purchase the video and start doing those
exercises. You may want to begin by working just on the left side of your face, at first,
strengthening it and reverse the sag that appears to be taking place. Then when you've
corrected that, incorporate the other side of your face. This should ensure harmony and
symmetry of both sides.
I, too, had 'lazy eye' (right eye)..did not appear to have an eyelid
there. Been doing these exercises close to 6 mo. mark now...and this is vastly
improved. I can see my eyelids and feel the firmness when doing the exercises for
the eyelid. Keep at it...will come. I am an
over 50 flexor, so I am sure results will be speedy for you! I noticed all along,
one side of my face just naturally, for whatever reason, responds more readily than the
other. In time, I learned to double-up on the 'slow' side. I have no facial
nerve damage; is just the way it is. You will 'know your face' so well in time that you
will be able to ascertain when and how to 'double up'. sounds a lot more complicated
than it is.
Lower lid corner
Oct 19, 2000
Deb or Jason,
Is there something extra I can do for the corner of the lower lid and below to cheek. This
area just is not responding for me...filling out. I've been doing lower lid lift, nose
lift all the exercises on the video. Is there an exercise in the book that addresses this
area? Oh, I left out that it is the INNER
corners. My cheeks are not over built so that is not what's giving the hollow look. Thanks
for any help you can offer.
Jason, just wanted to add I agree with Jean. I also appreciate all your time and input to
There are some more exercises in the book for the eye and cheek area. One of them is
Wink-Adv. It goes like this:
Place your left thumb into your mouth as far back against the right
cheek as possible (toward outer corner of right eye). Place three fingers of the right
hand just below the outer corner of right eye. Placing left fingers over right
fingers, lock on and pull corner of the right eye toward corner of mouth. Contract the
muscle by drawing the right corner of your mouth toward outer corner of right eye. Repeat
on other side. Hold for a count of 6. Repeat 10 times.
Also what I do is this: For nose lift, when you place your fingers
in the corner of your eyes, don't slide them down. Then squint your eyes so you can get
the feel of the muscle there at the inner canthus of the eye. Then squeeze and hold for at
least a count of six. Do this ten times. I hold my counts much longer. You're
actually working the inner aspect of the obicularis oculi muscle. Do this for
several weeks then let us know how it's going, k?
Thanks so much for the exercises. Doing the nose lift the way you
say makes perfect sense!! Why didn't I think of that?? Can't wait to try it!!
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