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Under eye area / home-made cosmetics   Aug 14, 2001  

Hi Deb,

I am a new flexer, just bought the book and the tape two weeks ago and I have been practicing daily.  I have very few lines on my face and intend to keep this way through your program. 
However, I am a little alarmed at the following situation.  I have noticed that since I started this regimen, I have lines under my eyes when I smile.  I did not have these before and they are quite unsightly.  They make me look older.  Is this temporary?  If so, when do things get better rather than worse?

Also, I have tried mixing liquid vitamin C, NaPca, selenium and MSM and have found it to be tacky on my skin and also smell a little funny.  I did not know the proportions.   What am I doing wrong? 

Thanks for your help and a great website!

Isabelle
IP: 207.141.93.10

Hi Isabelle

Most flexers go through an awkward stage in the first few months of starting the exercises. It's the hardest stage to get through and the faint of heart will fall by the wayside. It is NOT uncommon for you to notice at first, what appears to be worsening lines; however, as you continue the program and the muscle beneath and even the skin firm up, this will occur less and less.  Hang in there through this stage; you'll be happy you did. Come back to the board often to keep motivated as well. It
will really help you.

Jason

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The new before/after photos Aug 14, 2001     

Hi Deb, Those photos are incredible.  I would LOVE to know exactly what exercises she did to get those wonderful and amazing results around her eyes.   A big WOW!   Will she come on the boards and share her secrets?  Hope so!

Jae 
IP: 63.27.22.27


Me, too!

Especially her upper eyelids! I've had success there but nothing as amazing as hers!

Sadie

Hi,

I agree and I appreciate Andrea doing it. Hope she can share her workout info. AND THANKS FOR THE PHOTOS.

Elaine

Hi,

Well, they say a picture is worth a 1'000 words.   I am just blown away with the results Andrea has achieved.

Congratulations Andrea and thank you so much for sharing your success with us. 

Dale

Hey Guys!

I have an idea.(sometimes I do that)  I thought it would be a great idea to find all of Andrea’s post from when she first started training and attach (link) them to her photo page...  I lost a huge section of Posts (in file) months ago when my PC went down, but at least I have the beginning of Andreas training.  What I really love is that she was soooooo skeptical in the beginning.  This lady tells it STRAIGHT-UP! Ya gota love her.  Most of you know her but just haven’t put it together. Until I
get everything up...Go to the Skin Product Page in the Archive and scroll down to Post #1111

I’ll let you know when all is up.  BTW Andrea said she has more Photos!    Also, I'm getting photos from another Flexer, she had been training for some time and then decided to take my class in
the Bay Area (SF).  I love it when I get to meet existing Flexers... What a cutie!

Deb

Hi Everyone

Andrea's results got me REALLY going all out on my upper lids!  What the heck am I doing wrong?  My upper lids are still very hooded.  Mine look like Andrea's BEFORE picture!  And I've been
at this longer (sigh).  I'd like to know what exercises she did too and how many reps to what count.  Hope she comes on the board.

Bonnie

Hi Bonnie

Results ARE going to vary depending upon the amount of genetic fat in your lids. Andrea's  were due to muscle atrophy/sag which responds excellently to FlexEffect exercises.  Therefore, you may
not be doing anything wrong per se. To determine whether this is gentic or atrophy, look at pictures during your twenties. Were your eyes hooded then? I have hooded eyes and always have had (more guys seem to than women) and this is something that will not change because it is not due to muscle atrophy. Should you continue to work the lids? ABSOLUTELY. Because if you don't the
sag plus fat will cause them to evenutally be in your lap!!!

Jason

Jason,

LOL! I WILL keep working on my lids.  Don't want them ending up in my lap!  You cracked me up.  I do have a picture where I'm 27 and NO hooded lids.   So I know there is hope then and I am very encouraged now to really go after them.   I have been slacking off on the exercises for the brow and think that is probably why I haven't been seeing much improvement in the upper lids.  So I
have to be more diligent and keep working!

Bonnie

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Under eyelid  Aug 4, 2001  

I have a question for I have run out of patients after several years of facial excersises. I have bags under my eyes I have been doing the facial with no results. My doctor said he would do surgery for the under and upper eyelids but, I was hoping to do this in a natural way. My eyes have improved but, the fat pockets are still there I have two fat deposits on each eye. One under the eyes and another above the cheek. what can I do to disolve the fat.

Annie
IP: 24.8.254.183

Annie

Read post #l726 asking a similar question.

Terri

Annie,

If the fat accumulating under your eye is genetic (not due to sagging muscle) then facial exercises will NOT alleviate it. Some people genetically have more fat pads under the eye. When this occurs cosmetic surgery becomes a good option.

Myself, I have never heard of any natural products or exercises that will spot disolve fat. I'm sure it would be an extremely popular product if it did so.

In your particular case, you will probably become exceedingly more frustrated with facial exercises since it sounds like a genetic problem you're fighting and not atrophy.

Jason

Jason/Annie

BUT  it can make it look a lot better, i had a lower bleph done 4 years ago, and the fat is coming back, and probably the muscle was slipping, i have been doing a ton of lid pulls and JUST AS IMPORTANT IS CHEEK RAISER, i was not seeing results till ,i started doing alot of cheek raiser along with lower lid lifts ,any way my eyes look so much better, many people have commented on how i was looking crappy a few months back, and now how much better i look, now granted the fat is minimal, so if you have a ton of fat ,just do the lower bleph, then when healed do the cheek raiser,and lower lid lifts, but if you don't have to much fat, and you just look tired, try the cheek raiser and lower lid lift, it gets rid of that transparent blood shot look,you know where you see thru the skin ,like you have bad allergies or crying and you can see like a purple reddish crap under the eye, man my skin looks thick and totally opaque now, so even though i still have some fat there, it looks tight, best example i can give is look at how your eyes look ,if you pull your skin at the temples back so that it's pretty tight under the eyes , if that looks alot better under your eye like way less transparent looking, and less baggy, that's how it can look from these exercises, but if you have so much fat that its bulging like bill clinton, forget it, get the bleph then when healed do the exercises  

oh by the way, i don't worry about pulling skin, sometimes i even put my fingers on the middle of the lower lid right above the cheek, i still  have a little bit of fine lines but as a whole it is a lot smoother, and doesn't bother me, i don't even notice em, unless i really look

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

Glad to see you're back and have had success with the exercises! I know you had a little bit of a rocky time at first. Glad to see you stuck it out. That's the hardest part people have to get through. Getting started then sticking it out through the initial hard time.

Jason

Hi Kevin

Its been a while since you've posted!  Im so glad to hear you hung in with the exercises. 

Since you were previously having problems with Retin A & trying various other products, what products did you finally stick with & find the most helpful for the under eye area?

I know you were concerned about pulling the skin with the lower lid exercise.  Did you continue to do them as suggested in the directions, or did you do your own variation of the exercise?

I had bleph surgery too.  The fats gone but I have a line running from the inner eye corner curving down into the cheek area.  I havn't worked on the Cheek Raiser exercise beyond the
recommended amount.  Maybe I should work this area more.  How many times a day do you do them, at what count, & how many reps? How long before you noticed improvement?  BTW did you also increase the time you worked on the Wink & wide laugh to build up the cheeks too?

Terri

Hi Ya Terri,

how are you? ok here's what im doing, i use copperpeptides and glycolic 8, every like 3rd or fourth day i use hope under eye stuff, make sure you don't use on the same day as cp because hope uses vit c, another thing is i do a variation of message under eye, i take what ever  i happen to use whether it be cp, glycolic 8, or hope ,whenever i put it on i take my middle finger from the inner corner and  smooth across to the outer edge, i do this pretty firmly, man when i first did this i could feel the liquid under my eye squish , i do it till you don't feel that any more, now when i do it that squishing never happens any more, that right there is awesome cause you know you've made progress. Ok every day  i do about  10 sets   of lower  eye lift holding for about thirty seconds, or till the point where you feel a little tired and a little sore,not sore to the point of bad, but tired like doing enough  that you actually feel the muscle has been working pretty hard, ,don't kill your self  at first  do each set long enough till you feel a little tired , so if that means 30 seconds ,cool but if 10  sec is tiring then you be the judge, my right eye was way more of a problem than the left so, i did it all the time on the right eye, like watching tv ,any time i wasn't gonna have to be around people for at least an hour,,cause i look like crap after i do the lower lid pulls, like all purple ,and that blood shot allergy look etc,so i would do my normal planed 10 rep at 30 sec for both eyes every night, and then whenever i had down time like watching tv etc i would do the right eye, i would say i probably did like 20 reps all together at 30 to even 50 sec on the right eye, compulsive i know, but , its worth it,now im a little less crazy and i do 10 reps holding 30 to 40 sec each rep. not really doing the extra right eye thing on top of it any more.Here's a tip, when doing the lifts make your mouth look like when you have a sad face like a pout  ,do it as exaggerated as you can, now still trying to keep the sad face,open your mouth wide,now do the lifts as you always do,but still trying to make a sad face with your mouth open. this gives  more resistance ,and helps to feel it working the right way.Ok now for cheek raiser, this kicks but, what i like about cheek raiser is just the color it brings to your cheeks alone will hide the dark circles and bags, kinda like a tan,then on top of that it tightens the lower lid area where the cheek and lower lid meet, which really if you think about it is where bags are most noticeable.Again i did my right cheek  more than the left and still do all the time, i do both sides like 10 reps holding for 30 to 40 seconds, i do the right side on top of that all the time like driving, on the phone, all the time ,i hold for like 20 to 30 secs on these   extra ones, probably comes out to be like 25-30 reps on the right cheek every day,what i love about it is, i can do these even if im gonna be around people, cause i look great  right then and there, so if  i feel like i look tired i just do some cheek raisers in the bathroom away from people then come out looking all healthy and good color in my face, that's why im addicted to em, now  for you as a woman i don't know how that will work for you and your make up, but at least do alot of em at home.Hope that helps. now i need help on wink, im gonna post a question for jason, and if you know, any help appreciated, thanks

Kevin

Thanks Kevin.

When you do lower lid lift are you pulling down & holding right below lower lashes as suggested? 
Wink is a new exercise for me since it wasn't on the video & I just got the book.

Terri

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Eye question  Jul 30, 2001

I have serious bags under my eyes caused by fatty deposits beneath the surface.  Will FlexEffect resolve this problem?Also - what do these exercises do for upper eye? (excess skin?)

Jo
IP: 24.91.37.127

Hi Jo

No. FlexEffect will not spot reduce eye bags caused by fatty deposits. If the skin is lax causing bagging, then yes. But it sounds as if, in your situation, that you have a hereditary condition of fat accumulating under the eye. Only cosmetic surgery will be able to remove the fat. Postoperatively, when the area has fully healed, would the exercises be beneficial in firming and toning the area.

Excess skin for the upper eye could be due to fatty deposits or to lax muscle. If it is the latter, the exercises will help tone and firm the eye (see Tori's before and after pictures). It it is the former you will, again, have to consider blepharoplasty for correction.

Jason

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Re: Lower Lid Pull Jul 5, 2001

I've seen a few questions about Lower lid pull from time to time, and I had received an e-mail regarding it today, so I thought I would share my answer with ya'all. The question was regarding seeing the inner red part of the lower eyelid:

No, you should see a little bit of the inner lid when you pull down; however, the amount of resistance should be moderate and you should lock on to the orbital bone below.   This prevents the
skin from moving at all. Flexers who complain of post exercise crepieness under the lids, I believe, are not locking on and pulling down on the skin with too much force.

I've had crepie skin under my eyes before flexing and mine is sooo much better now.

Jason

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Under eye skin  Jun 25, 2001 

I hope I can get some help. I did this once but am not sure if I didn't retrieve the reply correctly or isf no one answered but I am giving it another shot. I am looking for some explanation for getting rid of the bags that are forming under my eyes. I am 41 and am told I look about 32-34 years old which is great for me. Maybe time is on my side. :) However, I have been noticing for the past 4 months
that I have formed some sagging under my eyes and have tried a number of firming creams without success. Please help

Donna

IP: 205.188.197.47

Hi Donna

Im not a professional on the flex board, so Ill let them answer how  the exercises are performed or you can check the old post under "eyes". But I would like to comment because I had this problem. If the problem is hereditary, surgery may be necessary.  I tried everything I could think of--creams, laying on a slant board, cold eye packs, cucumber & tea packs, accupressure, eye masques etc. You name it, and Ive probably tried it--along with using every make up trick & concealer out
there.  Even exercises didn't help because I just had too much excess skin--the same condition my dad had.  Blephroplasty was the only way to remove it.  You first need to determine why you
have the bags. Is it too much fat, too much skin, fluid retention (particularly in the morning), allergies to something your eating or some product or environmental thing, lack of sleep, a stressful ongoing situation, illness etc.?  Once you determine that, you can select the right route to take.  I will say though that exercises still made my eyes look better than when I didn't do them--but it wasn't enough in my case.    

Terri   

Hi Terri

Great post! So true. If bags under the eyes is an inherited condition, exercising and products will only take you so far. Ya gotta get rid of the accumulated fat.

Jason

Hi Donna

The FlexEffect program does address this problem. If you would like more information on the program, click on the links at the top of any of the FlexEffect pages. You may want to take a look
at Workshop in particular.

Jason

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Dark Circles under eyes Jun 22, 2001  

Hey..this just in:

I just found out from a nutritionist that the probable cause for the darkness under my eyes (and inside the corners) is actually caused by a toxic liver! Beginning this evening, I am embarking a major detoxification program involving herbs, juice fasting, etc. I don't know exactly how long it's going to take, but I will keep you all posted on the effect it will have on my undereye darkness. This might be the same thing that is causing dark circles under others' eyes as well. I've also found out that I have a major hormone imbalance, which has more than likely contributed greatly to the aging of my skin.
Damn!!! Who knew?? (I have other non-skin related symptoms as well.) Of course, I am also embarking on a hormone-balancing program that I hope will improve the texture of my skin. Wish me luck... Just thought that you all might be interested in what may be causing some of your skin problems as well.

Lynne
IP: 64.12.101.159

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Jason Re: eye exercises Jun 5, 2001   

Jason you mentioned in a previous post that exercises could help lift the brow  if the problem is not to severe. What is considered a severe problem? I still see my eye lid in the right hand corner but not usually the outside due to the brow. Sometimes I can see it all. What do you think?

Thanks.
Elaine
IP: 213.249.18.67

Hi Elaine

Hi:  For what it's worth, I could not see my eyelids either prior to flexing.  Now I definitely can.  I had a right 'lazy eye' and is now (eyelid) same proportion as the left.  The eye exercises are really effective..one of the areas I noticed improvement first off.  Hope this helps.   

Jean

Hi Elaine

When looking at someone who has severe atrophy and sag of the forehead or face in general, I do a little math. Number of months x amount of effort x amount of sag. If someone has severe sag the
number of months x amount of effort, the time and effort involved to make substantial change may be too great. Facial exercises will help at any stage but under severe saggy conditions, you may
want to think about face lifts/brow lifts, etc. in order to achieve the look you want in a timely manner.

I would need to look at you to see if you're in an advanced state of muscle atrophy. Generally speaking when the brows have fallen over the eyes causing them to be hooded is advanced sag. Doesn't mean you won't be able to reverse it with exercise but you ARE going to have your work cut out for you.Hope that helps explain.

Jason

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Undereye hollows May 19, 2001

Me, again...with another question. I've been doing the nose lift for the undereye hollows..but I'm wondering if there is anything else that could benefit this area. Or is there a variation on this technique that anyone has discovered?
Lynne
IP: 205.188.197.184

Hi Lynne

You may want to try doing lower lid lift but with the ring finger clear into the inside corner of the eyes. You don't need to pull down with this finger only hold the lower lid in place with moderate pressure. Then contract the lid.   Great workout for the inner canthus of the eye.

Jason

Thanks Jason!

I'll try it...
Lynne

JoAnne,

I have a different opinion on the dark circles. I think it depends on what the cause of your circles is. I have little ones and I did NOT have them all my life. Mine were caused by the cheek area slipping away from the eye area (sinking down a bit). Mine are not from allergies or genetic. I think mine WILL disappear if I fill out the hollows under my eyes. If that is the case for you too, then perhaps yours will also disappear. Did you always have yours or did they just appear as your cheek began to
sag down in recent years/months? Are they just slight ones just around the lower part of your eye hollows??

Lynne

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Lower lid massage May 8, 2001   

Jason or Jean,

I am finally seeing some improvement in the under eye.  The hollows I had are beginning to fill in somewhat.  But I have a fold of skin when I smile under each eye. You know just slack skin.  It is worse under my left than the right.  The left side of my face is the stronger more developed than the right.  So I'm wondering if this could be the cheek muscle pushing up on the lower lid bunching up the loose skin there.

I'm also wondering does the massage for the lower lids help to tighten the skin?  I have been hesitant to do the massage afraid I would be stretching the skin making it even looser. 

The outer portion of my lower lids has built nicely!  Just wish the inner part would hurry and catch up.  I have been so obsessed with that area I didn't even notice till today that the lines I had over my outer cheekbones have almost disappeared!  I really had to hunt for them!  So things are progressing SLOW but sure.

Bonnie
IP: 63.252.145.48

Hi Bonnie

Yes, the cheek muscle could be doing that, but there is probably some skin damage there as well. Continue doing the exercises and hang in there. It will eventually come along. Massaging should
not cause any slack in the skin. Massage is incorporated in facials and has been for decades, and it's something I should do more of, I'm sure.

Good luck,
Jason

Hi Bonnie

Hi Bonnie! Like Jason suggests, please hang in there.  It WILL get better.  I had major problem in this area...so pleased now with it overall, and yes!  I am a great believer in massaging..I REALLY push and encourage massaging...is so unbelievably excellent in my opinion, and in my case...and I did not do it either for the longest of time, and basically for the same reasons as you voiced, but once I began....well, rest is history.  Do try the massage.  You will really, truly enjoy the results, immediate and long-term.

Jean

Jason & Jean,

Thanks for the reassurance!  I will definetely go ahead with the massage.  Jean you have inspired me!! lol
Bonnie

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Eyes  May 8, 2001  

Hi, I noticed that the eye exercises work well but if I stop for  a couple of weeks they go back to even worse.  Am I imagining this or does it mean you can never stop?

D
IP: 213.4.38.75

Hi D

When you're still in the beginning stages, you will notice this happening. But once you've really built the muscle and then stop, you won't see this occurring nearly as quickly. It will happen though because if a muscle is not challenged and worked, it will atrophy over time.  And yes. Like all forms of exercise used to improve the body, you have to do these for life. There may be times when you stop for a month even, but you'll have to come back to the exercises to maintain the lift. Once you really get past 35, the changes occurring in the body are all one way. To delay and retard that process there are life-style changes that you have to make. Otherwise, those changes occur more rapidly. We're all going to get older, it's just nice looking great while we do it.

Jason

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Undereye Help.   May 3, 2001    

Hi All,

I'm quite worried about my undereye area and would welcome any advice any of you can give me. Let me describe my problem as it's a bit complex (which is why I need all the help I can get):When I'm not smiling, I have slight depressions (which cause it to look a bit dark where the cheek hits the undereye area--I've been told that this is caused by the cheek separating from the eye area. So, I need to fill in the area a bit. But there's more: I also have about 4 or 5 lines under each eye--yes,
they're there when I'm not smiling, so they are indeed officially wrinkles, with varying degrees of depth. When I smile, The area poofs out a bit and I have any accordian-like look there. Loose skin, a bit of fat--a combo of both, I think. So, how can I decrease the puffiness (could be fat or fluid, not sure which..but probably a bit of fat)and how can I tighten the skin there? That's what I believe I really need to do is to tighten the skin somehow. I'm not having much success with the lower lid lift--I can't seem to isolate the muscle at all. So I've been doing my own approximation of the exercise which is to simply squeeze the muscles without the use of my fingers and cause the lower lid to come up to a semi-closed eye position. Is this doing anything useful?? Help!!

Lynne
IP: 205.188.192.174

Hi Lynne: 

You've got to apply resistance.  This undereye area takes an extremely long time to get into the swing of it...but you will and it WILL get better.  I could not even locate the muscle in the beginning and on into 4 or 5 months of it!  But ahso and aha...eventually I 'got it'.  practice, practice,
practice...and build, build, build.  I started out just simply yanking the already frazzled skin around..creating all kinds of effects.  If you have done the upper lid for a period of time, you will know how different this feels now from when you started.   You can 'feel' the total diff in the build...the same applies to undereye, just takes a lot longer and seems more difficult to get it right.  I think it is the hardest of all the exercises to do properly.  Repetition will get you to the point you want to be.

Jean

Hi Lynne

From personal experience, lifting the lower lids without resistance doesn't do a whole lot of anything.  I did it for over a year before cosmetic surgery and it did not remove a wrinkle or lift the area--and I was diligent.  This procedure helped me find the muscle so maybe it will help you.   Pull and hold the lower lid area down, but don't use a lot of pressure at first just enough to hold the area down, close your eyes until their just open like slits and try to look up at the ceiling as far behind you as you can with your eyeballs, but keep your head straight forward-don't tip it back.  You'll feel the muscle quiver beneath your fingers. If you still can't feel it, try tucking your chin back toward your neck a bit as you do the exercise, you'll feel the back of your neck lengthen and your head move upward as your eyes look toward the ceiling. I found as the muscle becomes stronger you can use a lot more resistance.  Hope this helps.

Terri 

Hi Terri

Thanks, I'll give it a shot. What kind of surgery did you have?? Are you happy with the results??

Lynne

Hi again Lynne:

I had upper & lower lid blephroplasty--it will be a year ago on the 23rd of this month.  My problem was too much excess skin, not fat (although he did remove a little).  On the lower eyelids excess skin was removed with an outside incision right below the lashes extending slightly passed the eye.  If the problem would have been fat, he would have removed it with an incision inside the lower rim.   In fact, the procedure had to be done twice more a few months apart because I had so much excess skin.  He wanted to be careful not to remove too much which would cause the lower eye to pull down exposing the red rim and I would not be able to close my eyes completely.  It still isn't as good as I hoped, and the doc won't do the procedure again.  He suggest laser surgery to tighten it. I don't want to be in seclution for 2 months while it heals so Im hoping the exercises will do the trick.

Wondering if you were able to feel that muscle?  Its even a lot harder when your not using resistance, but eventually I did.  In the beginning, i was lifting my cheek muscles and using other
facial muscles unconsciously as I tried to figure out how to do it.  When I finally made a conscious effort to isolate the lower eye muscle and keep the rest of my face out of it, it worked. The best way I could describe it is its like winking without involving any of your facial muscles--with the addition of
holding that area down & using both eyes instead of one.  Practice in front of a mirror helps too. Eventually it will become second nature & you won't have to think about it. Good luck.

Terri

Hi Terry:

Thanks for the info. I might have to go that route eventually if I can't straighten out the area myself. I went for a consultation about a year ago, though and the surgeon said he advised against surgery at that point. (I didn't have enough fat to remove.) I'm not sure if mine is too much far or excess skin--or a bit of both! I think that's the case. I'm just hoping to flatten down the area and get rid of the lines myself with exercises and products (and a few prayers, of course!) Wish me luck!!!

Lynne

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Top Furrow / Lower Lid Lift  Apr 24, 2001 

Hi All,

I've been flexing for a few days now and I have some questions about some of the exercises. First, with Top Furrow: How does this exercise work? When I snear, it doesn't really seem to exercise the area under my fingers. (I feel it kind of high and then inside the lines. I'm actually afraid it's going to cause a brand new line for me inside the top furrow line.) What is the object of this exercise? How does it work to lift out the furrow? I can't see how it targets the area. To me, it seems that lifting my cheek somehow would actually work better as it is my cheek that is truly causing the line. Also, for lower lid lift: I can't really pull down the lash line and if I do manage to get it down a bit, I can't seem to isolate the movement to lift it. Is it like a squint??
Lynne
IP: 205.188.199.33

Hi Lynne: 

Jason or Deb can better give you the whys and wherefores...but I can tell you the end result.  You will feel this muscle (top furrow) building as time goes on..actually feel it with your fingers when performing the ex.  It does help with the furrow...this is really hard area to get results, but you will as is a strong muscle action there.   I immediately noticed increas in thickness (or that is what it feels like)..is very noticeable..and you will find that the case too I am betting.   Do not worry about 'causing' lines....if anything develops that was not there before, it will even out as the rest of the area
builds...or at least has been my experience.  Lower lid is so hard to do because you really can't feel the muscle initially; I know I could not at all...did not know WHAT I was pulling; just assumed there was a muscle in there somewhere...it will come.  This one takes a lot of practice it seems..and seems to be a bugaboo for all of us initially.   Just work through it and don't get overly discouraged.  All of this takes time and repetition.

Jean

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Getting nervous Apr 21, 2001 

ok im turning into a crazy person im sorry for all the buging ,but,    i always had a little bit of wrinkling under my right eye, but now that ive been flexing hard more under my right eye than the left, im seeing deeper lines than ever, and its not  just for the hour after i do the exercise,its been for like4 or 5 days, i have never seen this , and in the last week or so, BUT, I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE PUFFINESS IS WAY DOWN, so whats the deal? i mean i can really feel its working, it feels tighter, it feels like its working ,and the bag is vertually gone even when i dont sleep , even like a week a go i had a bag , and i uped my count to 15  for ten sets, and thats when i could really feel the tightnig and see it flaten out this week, BUT the wrinkles are scaring the hell out of me, DEB  or Jason please tell me why when its getting tighter and i can really feel a difference, would the wrinkles get worse, is somthing happening  when you really get changes  under the skin which causes the wrinkles to look more agitated and the skin almost looks looser, even thouh its flatter?

Kevin

Hi Kevin

It more than likely is due to the loss of natural emollients in the skin. Use a moisturizer after flexing. It sounds as though you are making progress. Give the skin time to readjust and shrink down to the flatter lids. Don't panic yet. Be consistent and keep flexing. Also, back off the Retin A and use once every third night while your intensifying your flexing of this area.

Jason

Hi Kevin,

I can't pretend to be an expert here. In fact, I have the same problem area as you do, so I've been watching your posts and getting nervous right along with you! It does seem to me though that what's happening with you is that you have somehow managed to remove some excess fluid and/or fat tissue underneath your eyes and that has created looser skin that is now wrinkling. I hope for your sake (and for all of ours) that you will be able to reduce the wrinkling now. Try the products for the wrinkles. Maybe some extra collagen and elastin will tighten that area up for you. I truly hope so! I await the responses to your post and hope that you will keep us all informed of any improvements you see to that area...The best of luck to you! I'm praying for you!

Lynne

Hi Lynne

I had this same problem also and big time; however, after 10 mos of flexing it seemed to 'adjust' itself and the area has firmed up....again, left side responded faster than right side?  I never have quite figured that out; guess I am not asymetrical.  I still have lines when I smile, but not when I
don't.  I am o.k with having smile lines when I smile.  The only way I can describe the initial crepiness is it 'evened out' and went somewhere?  I followed Deb's advice and really "went after
this area".  good luck!!!.....takes   t i m e.

Jean

hi , jean

wow thanks for the reply, makes me feel better, so you definalty had some wrinkles that were left when the puffiness went down? even when you didnt smile right? so then it tightend up the area enough that the lines were not obvious when you dont smile? thats good enough for me too. what topical creams do you use? also how reps do you do?

Kevin

Hi Kevin:

After about the 6 mo mark, I guess it was, I began doubling up on this area...very carefully.  I had to learn how NOT to pull the skin, only work the muscle.  When it is very atrophied and stagnated, as mine must have been, it is almost an impossibility to work the muscle without pulling the skin, as you
cannot even FIND the muscle to start with!  I have used all manner of topical creams.   Definitely Renova..but be very careful using near eye area....I now use Copper Peptides.  Night Eyes is
good from the skinbio site on "Ask The Professionals".  I have found a very good and soothing and non-irritating gel for eye area from Hope Aesthetics.  (I prefer the gels and seem to always go back to that form around eye area).  Massage is good also...gentle.  I have tried eye products containing Retinol, but for me, these seem to dry out that already thin and dry area further.  But they work great for a lot of folks!  Just try diff ones; you will land on one that is effective for you.   (a lot of places will gladly give you samples to try before you buy).  I seem to prefer the EO's and aesthetic products for eye area...works the best for me...to date.   good luck!  It is very difficult, I know, when you are trying so hard and seem to be creating more problems than good...but keep on trying...you are
creating strength and build and firmness, it just simply isn't an instant fix.  T I M E.

Jean

hi jean

so do you still use renova with copper peptides?and the gel from hope astetics? do find that the renova is nessesary along with cp to help get rid of the old skin, or does the cp and eye gel work fine for you?

Kevin

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Wrinkles Apr 16, 2001    

ok , now im a little nervous, ive been doing eye pulls for like 2months especially my right eye, and i try to be carful to keep my fingers close to the lash line as possible, but my wrinkles under my right eye are looking worse not just after the exercise, so jason or deb, is this part of the process, and or
what other things do i need to make sure i do when doing this exercise ,? and if i am doing somthing wrong ,which i cant think im doing that wrong, cause i can feel the muscle working when i do it right, but if im pulling to much on the skin will that cause perminate wrinkles?

Kevin
IP: 66.27.164.69

Hi Kevin

You might at first see, especially post exercise, what appears to be increased wrinkles or crepieness. After you've been doing the exercises for some time you'll notice that as the muscle firms up, so does the skin. NONE of these exercises will cause any permanent lines or wrinkles. I've done them for over two years and have not put one line on my face at all.  In the beginning when I first started though I, too, was worried. But now I'm probably more aggressive at the exercises than anyone so if
anyone should have formed a line, it would be me! I generally hold my counts to 30 and 40 and do about 3 to 4 sets per exercise in my routine. Do give the exercises six months, at least, to see what you can achieve.

Hang in there!

Jason

Hi Jason

Jason, you stated that none of these exercises would cause permanent wrinkles so are you saying if Kevin stopped the exercises right now the wrinkles that he says have appeared since starting the program would eventually go away.  This would make me a little nervous as well.
Thank goodness for this message board.

Kelly
IP: 204.50.249.132

Hi Kelly

The exercises do not cause wrinkles. Post exercise you may notice temporary lines which occur but as the muscles strengthen and firm up this will become less and less.  As you become a seasoned
flexer you will notice that the exercises will reduce whatever pre flexing wrinkles that you may have. It may not eliminate them but you will notice a softening. The real changes will come in the reversal of sag. The condition of our skin is greatly dependent on the amount of environmental insult it has sustained over our lifetime. To dramatically improve it beyond what flexing can accomplish, you're going to have to protect it. So what is causing Kevin's wrinkles or anyone's for that matter? Not the
exercises but the amount of damage from the sun, diet, stress, smoke, not to mention the aging process in and of itself. Ninety percent of wrinkles is caused by inadequately protecting our skin
from sun damage.

Most people began flexing due to skin problems, but the two conditions of damaged skin, in the form of wrinkles, and muscle atrophy are two different equations yet also interconnected.
Damaged skin is damaged skin and while flexing may help to fill out and soften wrinkles, it is NOT going to reverse a lifetime of damaged skin, increased blood flow from exercising or not. A
person is going to have to take more steps than exercising to protect the skin from harsh environmental conditions.


I have assiduously protected my skin for the last several years in addition to nursing my skin with products to help it repair itself from the decades of abuse I exposed it to. Both exercise and proper skin care is essential in order to obtain your desired results.

Hope this long winded explanation has helped! LOL

Jason

hi all

hi, i believe what jason is saying is not to stop , this happens i guess to alot of people and you want to keep building thru it, once the muscle fims up the lines tighten, and i assume since its from agitating the area in some way ,that yes if you were to stop once the area wasnt agitated it would be fine, but im definatley not stoping im confident based on what jason said and many others.

Kevin

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Smiling eyes... Apr 15, 2001    

I have no obvious crows feet (thanks to the program).  However, the exercises in the video do not address this problem:

Whenever I smile broadly, my face creases in the area immediately above my cheek and below my undereye into deep wrinkles that extend (at a downward angle) into deep crows feet.   It's the most awful thing I've seen and don't know what to do. 

Irene

Hi Irene

I would think the best exercise for this is Wink. And it is not in the video but it is in the book. Also Cheek Raiser will help this problem as well. It has mine.

Also people who are thinner tend to have this problem more than robust people. I've noticed this tendency even in the thin, young mid-twenties something. The only difference is that they generally have more collagen in their skin so that when the face is in repose you don't see any lines; however, you do see animated creases in the upper outer cheeks. The exercises will help this to some degree; more subcutaneous fat tends to help, too. I've noticed when I've gained some weight there is less
animated wrinkles.

Wink goes like this:

Working one side at a time, place the middle and ring finger just below the outer corner of the eye. Firmly press downward and hold. Contract the muscle by drawing the corner of the mouth up
to meet the outer corner of the eye. (Sideways grin).

Hold for a count of 6. Repeat 10 times.

Jason

My tear glands have been working overtime.   For example, whenever I lie on my side (and my head is tilted), tears form in the corner of my eyes and must be wiped away.  Would it be from
doing the lower lid exercises?  If so, is this temporary?  It seems to stop whenever I quit doing the exercise for any amount of time.

Irene

Irene

I have never heard of the exercising causing this; however, we have had flexers tell us that it has alleviated dry eye syndrome, so I suppose it could make your eyes more moist. I'm sorry that I
don't have a definitive answer for you.

Jason

My upper lip area is protruding markedly.  Would it be from doing the "top furrow" exercise which requires me to place my thumbs under my upper lip? 

Irene
IP: 66.44.22.112

Hi Irene

yes, the muscle surrounding the upper lip could be growing enough that it causes it to pout or protrude. Stop the exercise until the lip returns to normal....May take a week or two. This has
happened to me as well as over building the corrugators giving me the neandrathal look. Merely stop the exercise until they atrophy a bit. Restart the exercises then every other day. This is a good
sign that you got the build you want and now need to maintain it at the proper size. You may find yourself even backing off to two days a week for awhile once you restart, as the muscle will have
a tendency to hypertrophy to that size again.

Jason

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Lower Lid Lifts  Apr 10, 2001     

jason im wondering , since building muscles in the body  make them bigger how can i be sure doing the lower lid lifts wouldnt make the area look puffier because of the muscle under the skin pushing up

Kevin
IP: 66.27.164.69

Hi Kevin

Partly because the palbebral muscle is so small, you don't get the bulkiness associated with the growth of larger muscles. Additionally, even IF you were able to get some larger growth the area would look more toned and firm rather than puffy and would take some time to accomplish.

Let me tell you what happened in my case though. As I got into my middle 30s and lost weight, my cheeks thinned out and I lost a lot of supporting fat in them. This caused my lower lids and the area directly beneath them to appear slightly baggy. I might hazard a guess that by building up the cheeks, you might be able to reverse some of the puffy/baggy look. I don't know that this is your case, but it is something to consider

Jason

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under eye area  Apr 7, 2001   

Hiya! Um,okay-I'm in my early thirties & I've had Deb's flexeffect video for aprox. a year- I did the program for about a week & a half. I noticed that I had less puffiness under my eyes & the dark circles under my eyes definitely improved in that short time. But then I got scared & insecure because of some article I read that was in opposition to facial exercises. I don't know if it was just the natural aging process or the short time I did the exercises,butafter that,it seemed that I had aquired a couple of tiny fold lines immeadiatly under my eyes that I'd never noticed before. So I think all I really need now is some encouragement,someone to tell me that it isn't going to make my eyes worse
Mae
IP: 208.177.130.218

Hi Mae

When done properly, the exercises will not cause any lines or wrinkles to form. I've done them religiously for over two years without causing a single line. While I am a certified FlexEffect
instructor, I have no vested interest in FlexEffect. I donate my time and opinions to the board free of charge. No kickbacks (darn it! LOL) no salary .....nada. So I have nothing to gain or lose by telling you this. Go for it. You'll be happy you did!

Jason

Ok, Thanks for the reply, I'll try again.

Mae

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Puffy Eyelids Apr 4, 2001   

Hi Everybody:

Okay, I've been flexing for 2 months now.   Got my first compliment yesterday from someone I hadn't seen in a few months.  I thought I looked worse but maybe not.    Anyway, I just noticed some swelling from the top of my eyelid starting from my inner eye (both eyes) and up about about 1/3 across my eye lids.  It looks like fat pads that some people have but I never had this before.   I'm wondering if this is either part of the awkward stage, a result of the nose lift, or maybe one of the eye exercises.  I hope you can understand my description.   Thanks!!!!!   :) 

Rita
IP: 204.248.142.182

Hi Rita

Could be. However, make sure that your not just pulling on the skin while doing the exercises. Feel for the muscle. It helps me to immobilize the muscle then using the muscle, push against my fingers. This concept works well with most of the exercises. On the exercises that require pulling such as cheek press advanced or wide laugh, be sure to lock on properly and hold the muscle in place as you contract them.

Jason

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Hollowed eyes Mar 29, 2001    

FlexEffect sounds like a great program.  Does it do anything for hollowed-out eyes?

Sue
IP: 209.83.98.67

Hi Sue,

Yes!  the eye exercises are wonderful.   This was one of the very first areas I saw improvement (along with cheeks) when I first began.  Lower lid lift takes awhile and you sort of have to 'ride
thru it' and not get discouraged..end results are worth it.  These exercises will build the upper eyelid muscle; you will be able to physically feel and see it within apprx 3 mo period more or less, if not sooner.  Great assistance with crow's feet also and just generally giving this entire area a real definite boost. do all of the eye exercises...working the muscles, not pulling the skin...this takes a little to get the hang of it, but you will.  You will like what you see!

Jean

1429

Sunken eyes  Mar 20, 2001

Hello,


In Tori's 1996 picture she had that 'sunken' eye look. In her 1999 picture it is gone. I have some wrinkles under my eyes and a slight depression under the eyes and under eye circles.  Which
exercise did Tori do to get rid of the depressions under her eyes?  I have been flexing for over 3 months and would like to know which exercise would particularly help this area.Thanks for your help.   

Karen
IP: 216.112.40.166

P.S. I get plenty of sleep. The circles are not dark from lack of sleep, but rather a lack of muscle tone. (I think??)

Karen,

Tori did all forty of the exercises from what Deb has told me and others in previous posts. Lower lid pull, however, would be the exercise to help this area most.

Jason



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Not enough sleep and bags  Mar 20, 2001    

ok, jason here we go again,i went to my doctor i had full thyroid check ,blood work on everything, im totally healthy, i went to the doctor who did my lower bleph, he said there was nothing there, so i went to another doctor, he said the same thing, but i know how it looked after the surgery for like three years it was great, then i started having insomnia and now i have slight bags , even when i sleep , but what im wondering is if i had a long period of not getting enough sleep would i have to have a long period of getting enough sleep to get it looking better? Or should i have seen it go completly back to normal after like 2 good nites of sleep? Is sleep sort of like flexing where it doesnt just look diferent in a couple of days, and could not sleeping  enough cause perminate bags? Are the only type of bags that are perminate from fat?Ive been doing eye pulls and dermal tone , and its still not going away , and yet the doctor says theres no fat there, i think there is more fat there but not enough to do the bleph again, Last question is does lack of sleep cause the fat to grow ? if i had no bags and in like three months of not getting enough sleep had bags that dont go away after like 2 days of sleep did the fat grow back

Kevin
IP: 12.72.46.116

Hi Kevin

Lack of sleep will not cause fat to grow under the eye. Fluid imbalance, lack of sleep, diet high in sodium are possible causes of an under eye baggy appearance. However, if you've been having
problems sleeping and continue to have problems periodically, this could be the major culprit. I've read that lost sleep can't be "caught up" on. The way to prevent sleep deprivation is to make sure you get a full 8 hours each and every night. If insomnia continues, it's best to consult a doctor that
specializes in sleep disorders.

Since you've ruled out most health problems, and most likely any fat regrowth, and you're eating a health diet with plenty of fluids (right?), insomnia would seem to be the causitive factor.


I personally would speculate that if you've had a long period of insomnia and continue to suffer from it from time to time, it may take you several weeks of normative sleep to reverse what the deprivation may have caused. But again, a doctor specializing in sleep disorders would be able to tell you much better.

Hope I have in some way helped.

Jason

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Jason, thank you Mar 17, 2001  

Jason,  Thanks so much for clarifying upper lid stretch!   As Bonnie said, I don't know what we'd do without all of your support, as well as Jean and Everyone!  Sorry to be asking so many questions but I also am having difficulty with bottom furrow and wink - plain and advanced and with bright eyes. 

I apologize for being such a pain in the neck, but I really do need some help!  You explain things so well and really understand flexing.

Again thanks,
Leslie
IP: 64.26.163.106

1422

Upper Eyelid Mar 16, 2001   

Hi Everyone,  I'm having difficulty in targeting the upper eyelid and am hoping for some pointers about how to perform the upper eyelid stretch.  I'm not really feeling this exercise and I tend to stretch the skin a lot.  I own the video and book but just can't seem to get it. 

There are 2 other exercises that I'm having difficulty with also, in terms of working the area and not being able to feel the muscle, but the upper eyelid is my biggest concern.   I had recently discovered how to best perform lower lid lift and feel the muscle, as was just recently described.  It's really
interesting how all of a sudden you "GET IT" and obtain results!!

Thanks in advance, 
Leslie
IP: 206.191.1.28

Leslie,

Okay. This is how you want to be doing upper lid stretch to minimize any stress on the skin yet still work the muscle well. Just as with lower lid pull, you want to place your fingers as close or on the lash line as possible. Then push the eyelid open (looking in the mirror is kinda scarey at this point because your eye is WIDE open! LOL) Then hold the lid open pressed to the bone of the brow like this while trying to close it. You will definitely FEEL the resistance of the muscle while the skin moves not at all. Doing the exercise like this will cause the muscle to grow and thicken, providing absolutely no stress to the skin whatsoever. If you're seeing a lot of crepieness after doing the
exercises, you need to start revising technique. I LOVE the way my face looks after I exercise.

Jason

1420

Under-eye area Mar 15, 2001

Hi
I'm seeing results everywhere else on my face but the undereye area. I guess my lower lid muscles are very weak?? I'm wondering if I did lower lid lift maybe three times a day holding my counts longer if this maybe would trigger muscle growth or would this be over kill?  I've been flexing 11 months now. I'm getting so frustrated with this area. It just doesn't seem to be responding for me. Any ideas?? I'm not talking about bags as they deflated long ago. Now just trying to firm up.
I am hoping there is still hope. For me surgery is not an option. Scares me to death!

Bonnie
IP: 63.252.151.72

Hi Bonnie....I know how frustrated you feel.  chin up...it will firm up.   This took me  l o n g    l o n g  time...and I just doubled up on them....I started out too aggressively in this area and was doing it incorrectly for months to start with!  lol...then I 'got the hang of it'.....just work the muscles; don't pull the skin....if you are like me; took me a long time to even feel where the muscle WAS....key word here is WAS.....now it is back...or something is working...as area is smoother there and Jason said flexing will not obliterate wrinkles...but the build does definitely assist in smoothing out the creases! smoother, better color....just much nicer!  And this area seems to build just all of a sudden; did on me...after long long time of thinking I was beyond all hope in that area.  so hang in there!  It took me a good 5 to 6 mos. to see results there.

Jean

Thanks Jean for the encouragement!! 

I will continue to press onward. I do think I need to work on my technique.  I really don't FEEL the muscle working as I do in other areas of my face.  I know that in the other areas I would see progress once I could actually feel the muscle working. I shall really play with this one until I have got it right!  Thanks again for the encouragement!!  I shall not give up!

Bonnie

Hi Bonnie

Sounds as if you've had some success with the under eye area already. Many people would love to rid themselves of bags under the eyes. Congratulations on that! The under eye area is a particularly difficult area, even cosmetic surgery has only limited success with improving crepieness and firming up this area, so continue with your exercises. I would caution you from tripling up on the exercises as I believe you might over stress the muscle. There is a trick to the lower lid pull. You do want to make sure your fingers are right on the lash line. The reason for this is that it takes more pressure off the skin. Remember we're targeting the muscle not pulling on the skin. I believe a lot of people perform this exercise incorrectly then see more crepieness under the eye post exercise. When done correctly, you will see improvement. It's my experience that a lot of times people are placing their fingers too low on the lid thus resulting on pulling the skin more than the muscle.  Hope that helps.

Jason

Jason,
 
Thankyou.  I have been placing my fingers too low.  Right ON the lash line.   Okay! I've got it now.  Thanks for setting me straight!

Bonnie

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Under Eye Bags  Feb 28, 2001     

Jason,

In a recent post concerning under-eye bags, you stated:"Also observe when you see the bags, more in the morning or are they constantly present. Does being properly hydrated seem to reduce them?" Are you saying that drinking more water may reduce under-eye bags?  What other tips do you have for reducing them?Also, can you give a complete description of how to do the lower lid lift again.  Several months ago, you gave an excellent description and I realized that I was not doing it properly. 
However, I cannot find it. Thanks!!

Teresa
IP: 38.183.11.35

Hi Teresa

Yes, being partially dehydrated can actually cause the appearance of bags under the eyes. Proper hydration will help to reduce them, provided of course, that the bags are due to a fluid imbalance and not fat. I've also seen comments by several people on the board that myrtle water/spritz is effective in temporarily helping to reduce them. Also sleeping with your head slightly elevated helps to reduce a baggy look under the eyes. Since I haven't had this problem, I can't personally tell you how effective that I believe they are; however, postings on the board seem to indicate that they do help.

I don't remember what I had written for the lower lid lift and I can't find the post, but if you have a specific question regarding technique, I would be happy to share. In the meantime, I'll keep searching for that post. You wouldn't happen to know how long ago that was written? Any questions, just fire back.

Jason

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Bags under eyes how to get rid of them?   Feb 10, 2001  

i always look tired even when im not what can i do about this?

debbie
IP: 205.188.198.171

Hi Debbie: 

Lower lid lift helps a lot with this area...also doing the massage will enhance your flexing triple fold.  A good eye area masssage is:  using a very light touch on the thin skin around eyes, place middle fingers at each inner corner of the eyes and index fingers over the brows.  Then slide fingers gently
to the outer corner of the eyes and back again.  do this 5 times.  also all of the eye exercises in Deb's book really assist in giving you 'bright eyes'.  There is one called 'bright eyes'.  Hope this helps.  do try massaging. It really really helps...and maybe even use a topical treatment of your choice on the area.  when using any topical creams around eyes, I have been told to only pat this on the bone around eye, not d i r e c t l y  under the eye...but I am sure there are variations on this, depending
on what you opt to use.  good luck.

Jean

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Eyelids / Forehead   Jan 29,2001     

Two questions: I've been flexing for 5 months. I'm noticing that on my upper eyelids, they seem puffier and I have dark shadows in the corners of my eyes that were not there before. Will this go away?  2nd question: My forehead lines seem to be getting worse. Will that go away? I love doing the program though, it feels great - should I back off those exercizes for a while? Thanks!

Renee
IP: 208.247.148.9

Hi Renee

After five months, try and evaluate whether the upper lid is puffy immediately after exercising (post exercise swelling of the muscle) or whether the muscle is beginning to build (present all the time). The upper lid should begin to look fuller and firmer. If this is the case, the muscle may have begun to over-build a little and you can back off this exercise performing 2-3 times a week. The lines on your forehead should not be worsening by this time. Generally, during the first three months is when most
people seem to see a temporary worsening afterwhich they see steady albeit sometimes slow improvement. We may need to examine technique. Post back and let me know after what exercise you see the lines. After I perform mine, I see no lines at all. I can also give you a couple of different exercises that will help to minimize this as well.

Jason

Hi Jason

The upper eyelid is puffier all the time which probably means I'm building.

The forehead lines are there all the time also. When I'm doing "Brow Smoother", the second part of the exercize "once reaching the scalp, firmly pull fingers downward and at same time raise brows", that's what I'm thinking might be causing more lines.  Also the exercize "Bridge of Nose" has the same kind of movement.

Renee
IP: 208.247.148.9

Jason     

The upper eyelid on the left side is droopier, not puffy as I stated before.  My right eye is fine. The left side has always had more droop, but it's more pronounced now. Is that normal by this stage?

Renee
IP: 208.247.148.10

Hi Renee

The upper lid should also be firmer and smoother not just puffy. Be sure to evaluate that. Also try doing these two exercises for the brow and forehead.

Place four fingers of each hand on brow. While holding the brow down with your fingers, raise your brow. You should be holding the brow in position to where you see no lines on the forehead while raising your brow. Hold for a minimum of 6 seconds and

Then do this exercise. Place three fingers just below the eyebrow. While pushing up with fingers, frown. You should be pushing the brow up against the muscles. At the same time you can push apart the brow so that no frown lines are created between the brow. Clear as mud? Hold for a minimum of 6 seconds and repeat 10 times. While performing either of these two exercises you should hold the brow in position so that you don't see any lines form when you contract the muscles.

Get back with me and let me know how it goes.

Jason

Hi Jason

Thanks Jason, I'll try those exercizes.  The upper eyelid puffiness is mostly morning, but in my left upper lid, it is droopier all the time. It always has been droopier than my right side but it's gotten worse.  Is that different than puffiness in that in time the exercize will lift the droop? Thanks!

Renee

Hi Renee

Early morning puffiness isn't unusual for most people. Once up and about, gravity and activity have a way of assisting the body in getting rid of edema accumulated during the night while being supine. The muscle for your L eyelid may be weaker than your R. If you're exercising daily, back off the L lid and allow it to rest. It may need more recovery time particularly if it is substantially weaker than the R. Allow it to rest for 3-5 days before starting in again. Then do the exercise every other day.
If the increased droop was due to muscle fatigue, it should turn around fairly quickly. If it doesn't, you may need to start thinking about the possibility of something neurologically occurring. This, however, does not seem to be the case with what you've told me. If the droop does not improve or worsens, you need to see a physician to ascertain what's going on.

Jason

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Help, more concern with eyes Jan 24, 2001

i used dermal tone ,and i think i used it too strong ,cause my eyes got worse in last couple months, even though i stopped 2 weeks ago  it still looks bad ,like in the morning i have bags even if i slept and i swear 2 months ago that was not happening.can these exercises cause permanent damage to very sensitive areas like under the eye.

Kevin
IP: 12.72.41.53

Hi Kevin

Since I'm unfamiliar with Dermal Tone, I can't really advise you at all concerning its uses and effects. However, performing facial exercises has not been shown to damage skin. 90% of skin damage is sun related. Other factors causing damage are related to environmental factors such as smoking, pollution, poor dieting habits, etc.

Jason

1350

Bags  Jan 23, 2001     

ok, i had my bags taken out by surgery 4 years ago, and i was really really happy with it, even though my eyes would still get dark if i didn't sleep,it didn't bother me, but now the puffiness is starting to come back,which really looks bad when combining with darkness. here's a metaphor i notice now when i look in the mirror the darkness looks really bad,when i pull the eyes with my
fingers so it looks like there isn't puffiness it makes the darkness a lot less noticeable,like when i had the surgery done, so can the exercises tighten it up in the same way as how it looks when i pull it tight with my fingers? im 29 and its not like bill clinton its just a little puffy. the other question is
will the exercises by building muscle actually reduce the fat pads in the same way that surgery did? in any case i believe if i can get it to  tighten under the eyes like it does when i use my fingers that would be fine, also does any one think dermal tone |would help this, im not talking about other face exercise just ...(lost text)

Kevin
IP: 12.72.43.168


Hi Kevin

Since you are only 29, atrophy of the muscle shouldn't be a real problem, but just in case, try this exercise. Place your three middle fingers under each lower eye lid, just below the lash line. Gently but firmly pull the lid down while trying to squint or close the lower eye lid. Minimally hold for a count of six. Repeat 10 times.


Sometimes when a lower bleph is done the Dr doesn't take enough fat and over time the lower eye bags return especially as the years go by. It's always a balancing act when this procedure is done. Too much fat taken can cause a droopy looking eye or worse can cause the lower lid to pull away from the eye creating a chronic dry eye condition. Too little fat taken can cause little cosmetic improvement and a dissatisfied customer.

Give this exercise 60 to 90 days to see how well your eye is going to respond. And do it at least 5 times a week. Also getting enough sleep is very important to your body as a whole and will help to improve your overall appearance and health.

Too many fat pads under the eye is a genetic condition and exercising will not reduce it. But since some of the fat under your eye has already been removed, try the exercises to assure yourself that no muscle atrophy of the lower lid has occurred.

Jason

Hi Jason

Ok im confused as to how come exercise won't reduce the fat, the way it does for fat in other parts of the body, but any way even if it doesn't technically reduce the fat ,will exercise tighten the area ? if it will than it will be fine cause like i said when i pull the corners of my eyes to see how they would  look if they were   tighter ,i can see that it would look alot better ,i guess helping reduce the way light shadows the area, so even if the fat can't be worked away ,will it tighten up with exercise? Also you
said use my three middle fingers to do the exercise? huh? im confused ,could you clarify which fingers you mean? also im concerned about doing to much too soon,i dont want to strain it before its strong enough ,and i noticed that area can be strained very easily without even feeling as if i did too much exercise causing it to look worse. I have dermal tone and was using it under my eyes for like 2months and it almost looks worse,i was doing it stronger than they suggested to use it because it didn't feel tired at all doing it stronger but it definitely did not get better ,i might get the flex tapes,but either way im concerned about the fact that this area is not like sit ups where you can feel your sore knowing when to stop, they... (lost text)

Kevin
IP: 12.72.43.168

Hi Kevin

Use your index, middle and ring fingers and place under each eye. If you do the standard six minute hold with ten reps, you won't be over straining the lid. Once you've performed the exercise for a period of time, you can increase either your counts or reps. Having done the exercises for two years I do three reps to a count of thirty three times a week.


Even working out in a gym, you CAN"T spot reduce fat. Reduction in fat takes a either dieting and exercise or a combination of both. This doesn't mean just doing curls. Aerobic exercise of some sort is required. Likewise, you can't just perform cheek raiser for example and exercise all the fat out of your cheeks. If you want to lose weight in the face (or gain it) you have to adjust your diet and exercise.

Jason

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Upper Eyelid Droop   Jan 6, 2001

hi!
i have one upper eyelid that has developed a 'crease' in it (droop,sag, whatever...)and is giving my eyes an off-balance appearance.  i've resigned myself to the fact that it is age that has cause this (i'm 31) and am wondering if there is an exercise i can do get my lid back to normal. any help you could give me would be great!

Tracy :-)
IP: 154.11.162.246

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Under Eye area  Jan 3, 2001    

Hi.  Everyone seems to have the same situation with lines or crepiness under the eye doing lower lid lift.  For awhile there, mine were definite little creases..almost folding over.  I want to tell you Deb is right when she suggests to 'really go after the problem areas'.  I started doubling up on this ex....it
really freaked me out there for awhile...then viola!  it was not mirror smooth, but flattened out or stretched or firmed, or whatever it is doing in there...and looks  m u c h  better.  the lines are so tiny I cannot really discern them unless I get up close in makeup mirror. the outer area of my eye seemed to firm up way back some many wks ago..the area directly under eye began to swag...but going after it proved to be a absolute plus!  Hope this gives encouragement to this hard to firm up area.  I guess it depends on how much fluid is present at any given time also, as some days, it would seem very improved and others, it would be back again.  But has stayed 'stable' now for apprx 2 wks.

Jean
IP: 152.163.207.193

Hi Jean,

Thankyou!!!  You have given me hope as this area has been a problem for me also.   I have increased my counts to 10 and am going to start doing the ex twice a day and see what happens. 
Love your posts!! So encouraging!!

Bonnie
IP: 64.20.82.45

Tracy,

It is extremely doubtful that this is age related. Contrary to pop-cultural myth, your body doesn't suddenly degrade to advanced age at 30! LOL. Eye ptosis may be neurological in nature and may
signal a more serious condition. Do you have any numbness, loss of movement, anything like that as well? These would be other symptoms that should encourage you to see a doctor.

If this checks out, Upper lid pull and Upper lid stretch would be the two exercises that would help.

Upper lid pull
goes like this:

Place your middle fingers on closed upper eyelids. Hold the lids in place. Contract the muscle by trying to open your eyes.

Tip:  Don't push INWARD with your fingers. Push the lid down with your fingers while trying to open them. If you push inward, you'll be putting pressure on the eyeball. Not good, k? Try this for the next several weeks and report back. Let us know if that's working for you. Remember, facial exercise may take a few weeks to begin to show any results, so don't get discouraged after just a few days. Okay....good luck.

Jason

Hi Jason

thanks for getting back to me so quickly, Jason!there is is no numbness or anything like that...
thanks for the exercises and i will let you know how they go!

tracy :-)

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Eyes    Oct 24, 2000

Okay ya'all,

Deb is working on the eye section of the new reference page. I talked with her over the weekend and got an update just a short while ago that she would like for anyone who has an eye success
story to let her know, either here or you can e-mail. She's pulling eye-related success stories from the back pages of the board and should have that section up fairly soon.

Jason

Hi Deb
                                                          
I've said most of this before but I'll give a little more detail. If it's too long you can always edit out the unnecessary parts. After flexing for about a year I figured that the lines I get under my eyes when I smile was something that I would just have to live with. Then I read Carols' post about how after two years the lower lid lift was starting to feel different. You said that it was probably because the lower lid muscles were getting strong enough to execute the exercise without the upper lids getting into it so much. That encouraged me to step up my own program. I started doing three or four sets a day of the lower lid lift, five reps each to the count of twenty. I am now seeing a difference. I squint my eyes at myself every morning to check my progress and it is definitely improving. The lines are almost gone. By the end of the day the lines are beginning to return although they are still better than
they used to be. There is no reason to expect it to stop here. The point here is that although some areas will take longer, with a little added effort you can continue to improve well beyond the year mark.                                                     

Terry H          

Terry H

If the lines return by the end of the day, isn't the improvement you notice just fluid build-up, from the exercise, that is expanding the skin beneath and making the lines less noticeable? Shouldn't the skin be better toned and maintain the effect throughout the day?  Lotions and moisturizers make the
"appearance" of lines look better for just that reason- fluid build-up.

Diane       

Hi Diane                                                           

No, it's not fluid build up. I have no lines at all unless I smile, never did. Right from the beginning after I did the exercises, because of pressing on that area, I had no lines even when I smiled. They would come back after a little while though. Since I started flexing I've been smiling and squinting my eyes in the mirror in the morning to check my progress because the only way I can make lines is by squinting and smiling. I mean first thing in the morning, before I wash my face, put on moisturizer, or do anything at all, right when I get out of bed. Sometimes I thought it was getting better, other times I didn't. It is definitely getting better now. The reason it looks worse by the end of the day is just because I'm more tired then. I always look better when I'm more rested. There is a definite improvement. As Jean says, you get to know your face very well when you get into this program. You know when there are changes. You will too. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I've been increasing "crows eye" to the same extent that I've been increasing "lower lid lift". That probably helps too. If you lift the outer corner of your eye, even slightly, it makes a big difference.                                          
Terry          
                                                                                              

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Line under eyes   Oct 23, 2000

I have a deep groove under my eyes just where it is meeting my cheek.  the lower lid lift does plump out this part but the line is more noticeable and so does the cheek press.  is there any exercise that will build up this line?

Sophie

Sophie,

I get that, too, from time to time. I have to then back off cheek raiser and just concentrate on lower lid lift. It then tends to equal out. Also, make sure that on Cheek Raiser you're getting the muscle up high enough. In other words, make sure you feel the leading edge of the muscle right up under the lower lid when you do the exercise. If you don't, the line will be lower and more pronounced, I have found. Try that out and let us know how it goes, k?

Jason

Jason

thanks for your prompt reply i'll let u know how it goes.

sophie

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Face Symmetry Oct 23, 2000

I wonder if you can help me. I am in my late twenties and my right eye is stronger than my left. This has led to the left eye closing slightly. The left eyebrow is slightly lower and I feel that the whole left side of my face is sagging slightly - thus making my face unsymmetrical. Nobody has ever commented on this, but I know that it is getting worse.I also have quite deep frown lines on my forehead which again are unsymmetrical (falling towards left eye).I want my face to lift on both sides (especially between the eye and eyebrow)and also become symmetrical. Is this possible?

Dan

Dan,

Yes, with facial exercises, this is very possible. In fact, if you were to be referred to physical therapy for this condition, they would start you on exercises for the face. This is actually where facial exercises play an extremely important medical function. You might first need to determine if this condition is caused by any kind of facial nerve damage. Although even if it is, that should not be any kind of deterrent to doing FlexEffect.


I would recommend that you purchase the video and start doing those exercises. You may want to begin by working just on the left side of your face, at first, strengthening it and reverse the sag that appears to be taking place. Then when you've corrected that, incorporate the other side of your face. This should ensure harmony and symmetry of both sides.

Jason

Dan,

I, too, had 'lazy eye' (right eye)..did not appear to have an eyelid there.  Been doing these exercises close to 6 mo. mark now...and this is vastly improved.  I can see my eyelids and feel the firmness when doing the exercises for the eyelid.  Keep at it...will come.  I am an
over 50 flexor, so I am sure results will be speedy for you!  I noticed all along, one side of my face just naturally, for whatever reason, responds more readily than the other.  In time, I learned to double-up on the 'slow' side.  I have no facial nerve damage; is just the way it is. You will 'know your face' so well in time that you will be able to ascertain when and how to 'double up'.  sounds a lot more complicated than it is.

Jean

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Lower lid corner   Oct 19, 2000

Deb or Jason,

Is there something extra I can do for the corner of the lower lid and below to cheek. This area just is not responding for me...filling out. I've been doing lower lid lift, nose lift all the exercises on the video. Is there an exercise in the book that addresses this area? Oh, I left out that it is the INNER
corners. My cheeks are not over built so that is not what's giving the hollow look. Thanks for any help you can offer.

Jason, just wanted to add I agree with Jean. I also appreciate all your time and input to this board.

Bonnie

Bonnie,

There are some more exercises in the book for the eye and cheek area. One of them is

Wink-Adv. It goes like this:

Place your left thumb into your mouth as far back against the right cheek as possible (toward outer corner of right eye). Place three fingers of the right hand just below the outer corner of right eye.  Placing left fingers over right fingers, lock on and pull corner of the right eye toward corner of mouth. Contract the muscle by drawing the right corner of your mouth toward outer corner of right eye. Repeat on other side.  Hold for a count of 6. Repeat 10 times.

Also what I do is this: For nose lift, when you place your fingers in the corner of your eyes, don't slide them down. Then squint your eyes so you can get the feel of the muscle there at the inner canthus of the eye. Then squeeze and hold for at least a count of six. Do this ten times. I hold my counts much longer.  You're actually working the inner aspect of the obicularis oculi muscle.  Do this for several weeks then let us know how it's going, k?

Jason

Jason,
Thanks so much for the exercises. Doing the nose lift the way you say makes perfect sense!! Why didn't I think of that?? Can't wait to try it!!
Bonnie   

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