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Facial Muscle Diagram

TMJ  Feb 11, 2002  

My doctor told me that I was hearing this weird humming sound because I was "clenching" my teeth at night.  Is there a specific exercise I could do to counteract this?  (I wear the night-guard my dentist gave me)

Stephanie
IP: 128.125.228.127

Hi Stephanie

Don't know of any exercise that would prevent you from clenching your teeth at night or eradicate the humming sound. I would caution you to be careful with the exercises that involve the temporal-mandibular joint. If you feel any pain when you perform the exercises, stop immediately. Evaluate carefully whether you want to pursue any of the exercises that involve the joint.

Jason

Synkinesis  Dec 7, 2001   

I just want to know if your excercises would help me to reduce my problem of synkinesis?? (involuntary movements of my eye when I move my mouth)

I will appreciate your comments

Regards
Luis Cantu
IP: 32.103.99.21

Hi Luis

Facial exercises are often recommended for people who have this problem. How well each person responds is very individualized. I would check with your neurologist and see what he recommends.

Jason

Wisdon Teeth  Jul 21,2001 

Since I have been doing flex effect I have wondered about this question. If I increase muscle size in the cheek area does it expand outward or inward ? I have wisdom teeth that rub up against the inside of my cheek. If muscle expansion goes inward as well, I may opt to have them removed. 

John
IP: 12.20.62.46

Hi John

Honestly, I don't know what the result will be in your case. Performing the cheek exercises could cause the cheek to adhere closer to your teeth and gum line. If your wisdom teeth are already irritating the cheek, this could certainly be a problem. It sounds as if they are not in good alignment to begin with and as such may need some work.

Jason

Could this be Top Furrow transition Jul 20, 2001   

All,
I've noticed that my deeper top furrow (on my left side) seems to be changing at the top end. And when I smile, it's no longer a straight line down...it sort of bumps out to the side more than it did, if that makes sense. Does this mean it's finally starting to move at long, long last??? Is this typical?

Lynne
IP: 205.188.199.52

Lynne,

Sounds like you may be getting some lift causing the line to move up and out as though the cheek muscles are lifting higher. That would be my guess. It is typical for the line to move. Mine have.
They used to be a straight line as well but now more of a curve on the left side and not nearly as prominent.

Jason

Palteau..change routine? Jul 30,2001     

Hey Everyone,

I've noticed that I think I hit a plateau. I've been doing the video for 3 mths. ( don't have the book), do I need to change the routine and do some others, or just keep doing what I'm doing. Those of you who have done it for a year or more. Did you do the same exercises for a year? I'm already doing 6 reps to a count of 30, so I've increased the intensity. Just wondering if facial muscles get "used" to the routine and need to be changed in order to grow.

Thanks,
Janet
IP: 216.12.53.77

Hi Janet

Hi..for me...it took a lot longer than 3 mos.  granted, you will notice changes within that timeframe, but you have no idea what is to come!  You need to keep doing what you are doing, if it is
workable for you...well into the year mark and beyond....5 x wk...all the ex.  (if you can, please get the book...there are many there that target areas you can incorporate..all working together; makes a huge difference).  Jason says you may increase count and do less...or double up on some trouble spots..or do your own variations of different exercises....but do keep at it, whichever way you opt to proceed.....so much more is going to be evident to you into the 6th, 7th 8th mo and so on. you will be immensely pleased! 

Jean

Hi Janet

I think it is beneficial to change routines occasionally. You really shouldn't have hit a plateau after only three months however. It's generally around three months that people really begin to notice a difference. If you're not doing all forty of the exercises, you can substitute different exercises that work the same area. I have at different times done this and believe it helps.

Jason

Dark Circles under eyes Jun 22, 2001  

Hey..this just in:

I just found out from a nutritionist that the probable cause for the darkness under my eyes (and inside the corners) is actually caused by a toxic liver! Beginning this evening, I am embarking a major detoxification program involving herbs, juice fasting, etc. I don't know exactly how long it's going to take, but I will keep you all posted on the effect it will have on my undereye darkness. This might be the same thing that is causing dark circles under others' eyes as well. I've also found out that I have a major hormone imbalance, which has more than likely contributed greatly to the aging of my skin.
Damn!!! Who knew?? (I have other non-skin related symptoms as well.) Of course, I am also embarking on a hormone-balancing program that I hope will improve the texture of my skin. Wish me luck... Just thought that you all might be interested in what may be causing some of your skin problems as well.

Lynne
IP: 64.12.101.159

Acne scaring Jun 12, 2001     

Hi,

Thanks to anyone who can help me with this question.

I have 3 acne scars on my right cheek, center left, parallel to my earlobe.  They are not 'ice pick' type acne scars, but 'crater' type.  They are superficially to moderately deep, roundish, the size of a pencil eraser more of less.

Ordinarily they are pretty much unnoticeable, except when indirect light or shadow hits that side of my face, and they then appear to be deeper depressions.

I noticed something. When I place my index fingers on the side of my face, by the ear, and pull my skin back just a tad, just a little bit, the scars completely disappear, no matter what light or shadow is hitting them.

My question: Is there a flexeffect exercise that can tighten my face a bit, or make my skin as taut, as when I pull the skin back just a bit with my index finger?  Is there a way to plump out this area so the scars are less noticeable?  Can I specifically target this area to achieve the desired effect?  I am not looking for miracles, just a little less noticeable would be great.

This sounds like a trivial question I know, but it's been bothering me for years. 

Thanks.
James
IP: 209.237.4.12

Hi James

Honestly, I don't think facial exercise will reduce acne scarring of any kind. You can make the attempt, but I'm afraid you might be disappointed. For such a small area, laser surgery would
produce immediate results at a very affordable price. There are also some products that claim they can reduce the appearance of acne scarring but I'm skeptical. Having been an acne sufferer all my adult life and having tried numerous over the counter and prescription products, I would recommend seeing a PS or a dermatologist to see what they would advise.

Jason

Broken blood vessels?   Jun 9, 2001  

Yesterday I was abit discouraged when I noticed three little marks above my upper lip.   Could I have pulled too hard while doing the Tight Upper Lip and Top Furrow?   Will the blood vessels break and if it's the case will it go away?  How much pressure is to be applied? What do I put on it? Any information will be helpful.

Laura
IP: 209.188.81.8

Hi Laura

First, be sure they are actually blood vessels. Apply gentle pressure in one direction then quickly release. Do they fill up again? If they don't, chances are they're not blood vessels. Regardless, allow the area to rest.

Also when doing the exercises, it's not so important to apply the greatest amount of pressure possible. Steady, moderately firm resistance is all that's required. If you want more of a workout,
hold your counts longer or do more reps. Sometimes we want results so badly and quickly that we overdo it, but in this game, slow and steady wins the race.

Jason

Jaw pain  May 30, 2001     

Jason,

I have been having pain near the ear around the jaw area.  I have stopped doing the exercises for the jaw area, but I was wondering if the other facial exercises would be ok to continue with.

Ann
IP: 63.73.123.39

Hi Ann

Yes, normally you can. I have TMJ myself, so I have to be especially careful when doing the jaw exercises but I've found that the others do not bother it. Just be careful, go slowly, and give the joint time to fully heal before restarting.

Jason

Jason/Jean  exercising and asymmetrica Apr 26, 2001   

Since I just started the exercises its very evident to me how asymmetrical my face is.   Actually Im even notice how asymmetrical most peoples faces are.  By watching TV you can see the differences are quite evident if you really study faces--one side is always droopier or more lined.  So I was wondering if I should double up the exercises for the bad side (my left)?  I notice that I can contract the right side of my face much harder than the left.  Im right handed and that whole side of my body
seems to contract better than the left. What's your opinion?

Terri
IP: 199.182.98.107

HI TERRI

THAT IS WHAT I DID, DOUBLE UP ON THE 'WEAKER' SIDE...UNTIL I
THOUGHT IT WAS EVENED UP.  IT DID NOT LOOK OUT OF LOP, JUST FELT
THAT WAY; YOU CAN TELL WHEN ONE SIDE RESPONDS MORE THAN
OTHER..DID NOT TAKE TOO LONG  ...NOW I AM BACK TO THE REG ROUTINE.

JEAN

Hi Terri

I had a very similar experience. A photographer once told me that I'm very difficult to photograph because I can almost look like two different people from my two profiles. So when I started
FlexEffecting in February, (I learned a few of Deb's basic exercises that were posted on learn.com) it seemed to make my asymmetrical even worse. So I started working more on one side and doing some other things as well, and it's getting a little better.

I also found some face exercise books in the library (which were mostly but not all isometrics) and I've incorporated some of them into what I've been doing. In the short amount time I've been
flexing I've seen a big improvement in tone, etc., even if I'm still somewhat lop-sided.

And I'm sold enough on Deb's exercises compared to the others that I'm going to order the whole program. It just seems like a miracle to me that I have the option not just to prevent some wrinkles and keep my face toned, but that I can actually build and alter my face as I want to.

I may keep doing some of the isometrics, just because I can do them when I'm at work or my hands are busy and I can't flex, but it's obvious to me that Deb's work is a revolution waiting to happen. I don't understand why there aren't people talking about it on every talk show, demonstrating the exercises in workshops across the country -- and why isn't Deb's book on the NY Times Bestseller List?

David

Hi David

I know that if I'm getting such great results from half a dozen basic exercises, the full program will really help to accomplish my goals.

Terri

Hi Terri

Nearly everyone is a little asymmetrical. For me it's the left side that's a little weaker, too.  Yes, you can work the weaker side a little heavier to try and balance out. Although I've noticed in time that the weaker side will catch up.

Jason

Uneven facial muscles Apr 13, 2001

For the last few months I have noticed that one of the facial muscles on the right side of my face is larger than the muscle on the left side.  I'm not sure what the name of this muscle is.  All I know is that the muscle is used for chewing and that it is right above where the jaw connects.  I don't do any kind of facial exercises, but I can feel that the muscle is noticeably larger on the right side, and I can tell in the mirror that my face is broader right near the jawline on the right side. I don't think the muscle is swollen because it has been like that for a while and because the skin is tighter on the right side.  I don't experience any pain, and according to my dentist I have a perfect set of teeth.  Does anyone have an idea of what the problem is?   If it is true that the muscle on the right is larger I would rather make this muscle smaller instead of exercising the left side.  Any help would be appreciated.

JI16
IP: 207.7.26.21

Hi JI16

I don't know, but it could be something as simple as just being asymmetrical. Most people's faces have some asymmetry to them, so it would not be unusual. The questions to ask are: Has it always
been that way; when did you first notice it; any accompanying pain, redness, fever; any difference in your bite. If you remain concerned, the best thing to do is check with a doc.

Jason

Inflamed skin  Apr 1, 2001    

Hi Everybody:

I have been doing my flexeffect exercises for almost two months.   I am not particularly aggressive so don't think that's the problem but .....I  have patches of red, irritated skin on either side of my mouth, about 1" from the corners.  I have stopped doing the exercises that cause me to lock on
to that area because if seems to cause or exacerbate it.

I have tried tea tree oil and cortisone cream but nothing is healing it.  

I was wondering if anyone has an alternative idea of how to do the lock on exercises without hurting the skin.   I usually use latex gloves to get good traction.    I've never had an allergy to latex before but maybe this is a reaction to latex. 

Any ideas?  Anyone else with skin problems due to flexing?   I really don't want to stop my exercises.

Thanks a bunch.

Rita
IP: 208.23.207.218

Rita,

Stop using the Latex gloves immediately.  I've noticed that when I use latex gloves each session that I get some irritation as well. I have mainly gone back to using my fingers even though I like the "grip" latex gloves give me.

Allow the area to heal. When I've used latex gloves it seems to make the area very dry. I don't know if the latex is removing too much of the natural oils of the skin or what, but that is what I
suspect.

I would recommend using a simple moisturizer for the area. Of course, if it does not show improvement within a 48 hour or so period check with your Dr. Once healed, go back to the exercises using ONLY your hands. No gloves.

Let me know how it goes.

Jason

Thanks, Jason.   I will follow your advice.  
Thanks. 
Rita

Hey Rita:

I had the same experience with cotton gloves and latex gloves. 

Here's what works for me:  Cleanse your face before working out, do not apply any creams or lotions, NADA!  

Then, I use ONLY the fingertips of cotton gloves - I just cut 2 off of a cotton glove and place them only on my thumbs.  Why do I do this?  Because when placing my thumbs in my mouth, the saliva
makes it too slippery to get a good grip. Thus, by using just the finger tips of the gloves, I can get the grip I need and not irritate the outside of my cheeks and corners of mouth. 

When I was using the entire glove and grasping, the cotton fingers on the outside would cause alot of irritation as well (I have ultra sensitive skin). 

So, with the fingertips, I just wash them, let them dry and use them again the next day.   Toss 'em when they look like it's time to cut off another 2 fingers.  Eekk gads, this sounds grousome, but it's just gloves!  Hehehehe.....

The gloves are pretty cheap if you buy them in bulk - which I do. so this is just another little suggestion.  But lay off and let the area heal up so you don't exacerbate the problem. If you do so
and the apply the cortisone, you should be healed up on a week.  Also, if you're apply any glycolics or Retin-A, AHA's, anything that makes you peel, stop those as well.    Just let your skin settle down, you've placed it in a state of sub-inflammation, it just needs to be left alone!  Got it?  Good!  And as Jason said, see your doctor if there is no improvement or it gets worse!

All my best,
Olympia

Thanks for your advice, Olympia.   

I was wondering where you get your cotton gloves in bulk. 
Rita

Aching post exercise   Mar26, 2001

Hello,

I,m new to Flexeffect, I've been doing all 40 exercises daily for almost two weeks now. Just wondered, is it normal for face muscles to ache after flexing? Could I be over doing it or does this mean the exercises are having desirable effect? Also, I've noticed that immediately after performing the exercises my face looks better, but after a while returns to pre exercise state. With continued Flexing can I expect the firmness to remain and then become permanent rather than reverting back
to original state? I'm actually looking to build up facial contours as my face is already quite firm.

Rah
IP: 62.254.0.6

Hi Rah:

It's not unusual to get that lactic acid burn when you are realling working the muscles of the face....because they are just like any other muscles you might work out throughout the body. 
You must be really kickin' it - cool.  Remember, this program is cummulative in it's results.  So as long as you keep pumping those muscles and building them, the effects will remain and continue to
improve. I always get a "pump" after I work my facial muscles - again, just like when I lift weights.

I will tell you:  That if you are experiencing jaw pain, or numbness or tingling, anything acute....then stop what you are doing and give it a rest. 

If it's just the type of "good pain" you feel after working out that goes away later, then you're doing fine.  Remember, these muscles are being challenged beyond what they are used too....so a good workout ache is not unusual. Take care and keep flexing!

All my best,
Olympia

Hi my Deb and Jason.....I missed you both....I'll be popping on and off the Board...I'm trying to ease back into it given my health problems.....which ain't gonna git the best of this chikita let me tell ya!  My love to you both!

Hey Oly!

Miss you bad girl  :0(   hurry back

Deb

Jowls / broken capillaires Mar 19, 2001     

Hello, Deb, Jason & everyone:  I've been flexing for about two months now and have noticed some nice changes, especially in my upper lip and under eye areas.  I am having problems with broken
capillaries lately and wondered if it has to do with the increased blood flow to the skin (I don't drink or eat spicy foods).  Has anyone found anything that may help decrease or eliminate these unsightly little red veins?  Also, which exercises have you found to be the best for eliminating jowls? 
I really would like to get rid of mine, and haven't seen any improvement yet.  Thank you for your time. 

Christine
IP: 216.15.88.21

Rosecea    Feb 23, 2001    

Do you think rosecea would be worsened by doing the exercises?  Or would it improve?   Having more blood flow to the skin's surface is what causes redness in my face now, so would it make it worse by doing these exercises?
Liz
IP: 4.45.168.67

Hi Liz

I had/have rosecea..yes, flexing helped mine in overall appearance of skin, massaging aids too..at least in my case..however, you will need some skin care products and help from a specialist to truly tackle this problem full force.  There are many good sites on the net..and you could ask Dr. on ASK THE PROFESSIONALS.  Derma Dr, is a good web site. there are many.  Or visit a Dermatologist and ask questions.  Help is readily available. good luck.
Jean

Exercise is making things worse. Jan 25, 2001     

I just started doing Flex Effect yesterday.  When I do the Lower Eyelid Raise (I believe it's called) the skin underneath my eyes gets more crepy, not less.  That's just the opposite effect that I want.  Should I keep on doing the exercise when it's making matters worse?  There seems no point.

Adam Schwartz
IP: 156.56.142.112

Hello Adam. 

Don't give up just yet!!  I had same problem and if you will go to the 'workshop' and read some of the 'previous posts' you will see where this was the case for many....and all improved tremendously over time.  Jason can explain it better and I am sure he will.....give it at least 3 mos or more before you make a judgement on it. You will be glad you did.

Jean

Adam,

Yes, many times people will go through a beginning awkward stage where there appears to be little, no, or even worsening changes. This is especially true when the muscles are atrophied or if there is sun damaged skin present. At your age (29, right?), I would hazard a good guess that you've had some consistent sun exposure since you're describing a crepie type of look under your eye. While the exercises will help to smooth out this area, if the crepieness is moderately-severe, you probably need to think about skin care to this area as well as exercise. Your method of choice for skin care can encompass a wide array of treatment options from Retin A, copper peptides, glycolics to micropeels, microdermabrasion, to laser. Naturally, some of these choices will require a consultation with a dermatologist or PS. My choice at the moment is Retin A and using Beta/Alpha Hydroxy Acids, but there are as many opinions on skin care as there are on politics and religion. Find out what's right for you.

Jason\

Spider Veins  Jan 18, 2001    

Hello all.  Yesterday I had spider veins in my cheeks, side of face and neck removed (laser).  How long should I allow to 'settle and heal' before I begin flexing again please?  Other than a little minimal swelling and minute redness that I have cream for...all is fine ...AND NO SPIDER VEINS.  I have had these since in my early 30's.   Feel like a new woman! lol. thx for response.

Jean
IP: 64.12.104.161

Jean

I don't know with this type of laser surgery how much exfoliation occurs and how thin the skin is post op. But the general rule of thumb for surgical procedures is 6 weeks. With CO2 laser,
depending on the depth, I would recommend three months or longer due to the fragility of the new skin. Since laser for removal of telangiectasia is targeted more on color specifics, much like laser hair removal, you should be able to return to your exercises much faster. I would suggest you ask your PS or dermatologist how many weeks before the skin is fully healed
before beginning.

Jason

Jason
o.k. Jason; will find out.  thx very much for response.  Would it be alright to continue to do the chin press and those ex targeting jowls?  as long as I stay away from cheek area for awhile.  Cheeks have progressed very nicely, hope they won't revert in the interim!?

Jean

Jean

Yes, you can continue to perform the other exercises and your cheeks shouldn't revert much at all if any either. Just remember, muscle has memory and whatever the case will bounce back quickly.

Jason

Face Symmetry Oct 23, 2000

I wonder if you can help me. I am in my late twenties and my right eye is stronger than my left. This has led to the left eye closing slightly. The left eyebrow is slightly lower and I feel that the whole left side of my face is sagging slightly - thus making my face unsymmetrical. Nobody has ever commented on this, but I know that it is getting worse.I also have quite deep frown lines on my forehead which again are unsymmetrical (falling towards left eye).I want my face to lift on both sides (especially between the eye and eyebrow)and also become symmetrical. Is this possible?

Dan

Dan,

Yes, with facial exercises, this is very possible. In fact, if you were to be referred to physical therapy for this condition, they would start you on exercises for the face. This is actually where facial exercises play an extremely important medical function. You might first need to determine if this condition is caused by any kind of facial nerve damage. Although even if it is, that should not be any kind of deterrent to doing FlexEffect.


I would recommend that you purchase the video and start doing those exercises. You may want to begin by working just on the left side of your face, at first, strengthening it and reverse the sag that appears to be taking place. Then when you've corrected that, incorporate the other side of your face. This should ensure harmony and symmetry of both sides.

Jason

Dan,

I, too, had 'lazy eye' (right eye)..did not appear to have an eyelid there.  Been doing these exercises close to 6 mo. mark now...and this is vastly improved.  I can see my eyelids and feel the firmness when doing the exercises for the eyelid.  Keep at it...will come.  I am an
over 50 flexor, so I am sure results will be speedy for you!  I noticed all along, one side of my face just naturally, for whatever reason, responds more readily than the other.  In time, I learned to double-up on the 'slow' side.  I have no facial nerve damage; is just the way it is. You will 'know your face' so well in time that you will be able to ascertain when and how to 'double up'.  sounds a lot more complicated than it is.

Jean

Rosacea  Oct 17, 2000

I have noticed several posts regarding rosacea.  I too had rosacea. After being treated unsuccessfully and unsatisfactorily by 4 different dermatologists, each one using a different cream
or pill, I search the web and found the SHER SYSTEM at www.sher.co.uk/. Helen Sher and her products did for me what no dermatologist could do. My condition has cleared completely and
I have not had a flare up in 3 years. I would definately recommend these products to anyone with acne and/or rosacea. Check out the website for yourself!
Susan     

Spider Vein Dec 22, 2000     

This morning, I noticed a spider vein on my upper left cheek.   I do the cheek raiser exercise every day and think that perhaps I am pressing too hard?  What do you think? I am sure that this vein will go away since I am not prone to 'spiders', but I am concerned that I am not doing this exercise properly.  It doesn't seem that hard to do. Also, when do you know when you have exercised a muscle enough for one session?  Does muscle tremor indicate that it is time to stop?  I don't think counting is a good enough indicator as we advance through the exercises.   I am 47 and have been flexing off and on for 6 months. Thanks,

Karen
IP: 216.112.40.166

Large Pores  Oct 14, 2000

Hello Flexors!

How does one go about closing large pores (left from acne)?  I'd like for my face to look smoother.  
Thanks,

Chris

Hi Chris...

I, too have large pores.  I used Renova for over a year and this helped tremendously; however several mos ago I started using the Reborn products (as I mentioned in earlier post)...she has a glycol cream that is very beneficial for this problem..or I have found it so. I have also used MD Forte in the past...glycolic acid is very effective on this particular problem.  A glycol peel is also result-giving.  Glycol is the only thing I ever found that does help this problem.  Hope this helps since I can attest to its effectiveness personally.

Jean

Hi Jean

Thanks so much for your response.  I'll try some glycol. You said the same thing as Olympia so that means you all know the product well. 

Chris

Hi Chris:

Pore size is largely due to genetics.  You can't ever truly close pores.  In addition, if the follicle wall is impacted with debris, they will look larger.  What you can use to do deep pore follicular cleanse is a glycolic based cleanser such as MD Forte (can by at www.dermadoctor.com) or Serious Skin Care's Glycolic Cleanser sold at www.hsn.com.   I've used both and both are quite good, MD Forte is a bit more expensive.  In addition, use of such products as Retin A or again a glycolic acid lotion will assist in not only topical exfoliation, but also travel deep into the follicle wall to loosen impacted debris.  This will give the illusion that your pores have shrunk. I too have large pores due to my genetic makeup, and my pores appear to be much smaller due to my use of Retin A.  Talk to your dermatologist about it and learn the in's and out's of using it should you decide that's the way to go.

Best of luck,
Olympia

TMJ  Oct 5, 2000

Olympia:  How was it determined that you had TMJ problem? and when did you discover it.  I have been having sore jaw muscles, jaw popping and neck aches since flexing...do not know if it is just using these muscles I have not 'worked in this manner' previously.  I assume it is the norm when beginning any exercise routine to have sore muscles (I did in other areas initially, that I do not experience so intently now since into the program for awhile).  Was a little concerned about TMJ.  I am assuming if I was prone to this problem..it would have occurred or shown up long before flexing.  Appreciate your comments, as always.      

Happy flexing!

Jean

Red marks after exercise.   Aug 9, 2000

Hi,

After doing flex ex, especially, crow's eye, lower lid lift and cheek raiser, my face has red marks (finger prints).  Do I use too much pressure while doing ex.?  How can I avoid having the same problem?  The marks last more than a day.  Also, after doing bottom furrow, I will have red lines.  One line is on the right side, and another is on the left side.  It occurs on the area where I am not intent to fold my under mouth skin in order to push my jaw line up. 

Thanks.
QQ
QQ,

Yes, it sounds to me like you could be pushing down too hard. I, too, have red marks after performing the exercises; however, they disappear over the course of an hour or so. I have very fair skin so the marks have a tendency to show up more readily. My suggestion is to back off of the pressure and concentrate more on the muscle itself resisting the pressure that you do apply rather
than concentrating on the pressure you're applying with your fingers. It's a subtle difference but when you focus in the manner that I'm suggesting you'll understand the difference immediately.Hope I've helped.

Jason

Broken blood vessels / face redness   Aug 3, 2000

well i ordered the k derm gel as olympia suggested. i bought a k cream awhile ago (orjene) and it did not help. have not tried veinish yet. trying to see what i can do before photofacial treatments / the latest /supposedly better than laser). if anyone is interested just go to photoderm / dr. bitter treatment. 

darleen

Re: Spider Veins  Post#  828     Aug 2, 2000

Hi Jae:

First,explain the situation to your dermatologist, and ask if he/she would prescribe a vitamin K gel or cream for you to apply to the spider veins.  They usually prescribe this after plastic surgery to control bruising.  Say you want to give this a shot and see if it helps before considering laser or sclerotherapy. 

If they won't for some reason (sometimes they would rather you do the costly treatments) - then try the K-Gel from www.dermadoctor.com.    You'll receive your product from them within a few days.  Also, look up more info on the dermadoctor site.  Dr. Kunin addresses these and many other dermatological issues and recommendations to those issues. 

I don't know the severity of your spider veins.  But I would assume after 12 weeks of daily use, you don't see a difference, then you may need to opt for the more aggressive therapies.

Let us know how it goes.

All my best,

Olympia :-D

Re: Post# 822 muscle one side/vs other side.  Aug 1, 2000

I too noticed from the very beginning...my left side of my face is far more responsive and reacts better than the right side.  For instance, I have always been able to voluntarily cock my left eyebrow...not the right though.  So this is pretty 'normal' for most of us.  I do notice that right side is now responding more 'readily' for lack of a better word.  I can feel this, so it is forthcoming for fellow flexer who asked about this.  thx...have great wk flexing!  It is odd, I am right handed...but
left side is more in-tune!

Jean

couperose skin/exercises/products Aug 1, 2000

i have a lot of broken blood vessels/redness on my face. concerned about the exercises and this. will more break, or will it improve?? i have not had luck with skin products so far. maybe i have to get the laser for this. advise pls.

darleen

Hi Darlene:

Re:  broken blood vessels:  For broken blood vessels, rosacea, spider veins, ruddy complexion, bruising...BEFORE YOU DO COSTLY LASER TREATMENTS - I strongly recommend you try using a prescription strength Vitamin K cream or gel.  You can purchase K-Gel or K-Cream through www.dermadoctor.com.  

If you apply this as directed - it really does help in diminishing the look of these broken capillaries - anywhere on the body.  I have very thin pale skin and my dad has rosacea. The gel they usually prescribe for rosacea is one the FDA has proven carcinogenic if used over a long period of time and is primarily used for parasitic conditions and is extremely expensive to boot.  I read about the alternative uses of vitamin K creams and then started him on the K cream.  It works and it's not toxic to the system.   It keeps the rosacea from flaring up and actually diminishes it's appearance.  

I use it on spider veins on the backs of my legs and thighs. 

You'll see a difference in about 4-8 weeks, depending on the severity of the problem.   You can use it on the face.  First apply hot compresses to the area (don't need to do this when you just step out of the shower in the AM) to open the pores then apply as directed.

I would strongly suggest you discuss this first with your dermatologist - perhaps they can prescribe a stronger K gel or cream for you.  If not, you can always try the K Gel through Dermadoctor.  I would also suggest a strong topical (antioxidant) vitamin C serum or cream like Cellex-C or Skinceuticals as well to strengthen and feed the skin from the outside in. 

Will the FlexEffect Program help to improve this condition?  I've not seen any exacerbation of broken blood vessels on my face from my training.  I'm genetically prone to them as well.  I believe
the training has helped to thicken the dermis and epidermal layers of the skin - which is what we want.  It has increased circulation to the skin which is yet another huge plus. 

I would like to hear from our Queen.  Deb - what do you think?

Best of luck! 

Olympia :-)

Hi Darleen

I too have the same skin condition and have been dealing with it since my teens. Facialbuilding has not caused a problem what so ever. I have a spider vein zapped every now and then (electric needle) but have found  I am having to do it less and less.  This tells me facialbuilding is very beneficial sense this type of skin condition is generally progressive.

Deb

One side of face muscle/problem   Jul 31, 2000

just started and i have noticed that with some of the exercises my one side of face doesn't move like the other.   any one?????

marybernadette

Hi Marybernadette:

I'm going to assume you haven't had any facial nerve damage or paralysis to cause problems or weakness with one side of your face. 

Okay, assuming the aforementioned, is it not at all unusual for one side of your face to be stronger and move as you would like it to versus the other side of your face.   Remember, we are not
symmetrical beings.  Given that, and just like most of us, who are either left handed or right handed (we have a dominant side we write with, chew with etc. ) - so are the muscles of the face. Sometimes the muscles of our face (and body for that matter) may be stronger on one side versus the other and thus one side may a little more coordinated and responsive than the other side. 

It's just a matter of practice and development of the muscles as you progress in your facial training.  Your waking those muscles up.  In time, your muscles of the weaker side of your face will adapt to the resistance you create and thus grow stronger as you continue with your facial resistance training program.  You will find they will "move the same" or rather, react and respond in movement during the contraction, as do the muscles on the currently stronger side of your face. 

Just keep at it.  Thanks for a great question.

My best,
Olympia :-) 

Headache  Jul 29, 2000

Hi Deb,

Have been doing exercises for about 4 months. Recently have gotten a headache that won't go away. So it's 5 days now I haven't been flexing. Any suggestions?
Thanks...

Mimi

Hi Mimi

I would think that if you've been flexing for 4 months and have suddenly developed a persistent headache that it might be related to any number of things. If you felt flexing was the problem I
would think the headaches would have manifested much earlier and within a short time after having done the exercises. I have experienced some muscle soreness from exercising but no headaches. Headaches can be symptomatic of many different conditions or disorders. Have you had in changes in your life either physically or emotionally? Has your diet changed recently? Try to identify any changes and then eliminate those changes one by one to see if you improve. Also might not be a bad idea to check with your Dr. A persistent headache for 5 days may be indicative of some underlying condition.

Okay Deb. What's been your experience where this is concerned?

Jason

Hi Mimi

I agree with Jason, sounds more like something else going on.  However, I do know that facialbuilding effects the sinuses.   Usually for the better (keeps them clear) Some Facialbuilders with  serious seasonal allergies have found their noses would not stop running (much to their relief) until the allergy season was over.  But this should relieve a headache not promote one.  As Jason said  "check with your Dr."  I too at times in my life have had a headache that went on for days ... virus? hormones?  husband!

Get back to us and let us know how you're doing

Anyone else have a take on this?

Deb

Under the eye   Jul 25, 2000

I have a question. I've using flexeffect for the past 6 months and I have seen some improvement except the under eye area. I've been doing the lower lid lift, but have not seen much of an
improvement. I am now experiencing another problem when I do the lower lid lift. My right eye, which is more of the problem, begins to twitch after pulling it. I am afraid to keep doing the
exercise. The twitching stops after I place my finger on the lower lid for a while. I do not know if I should continue doing this exercise or not. I've tried it several times, lately, with the same result...the twitching comes back again.  Is there any other under the lid exercise I can do? Do you think this
twitching means I should see an eye doctor? I love your program and I would hate to stop the lid exercise here. I'm already committed, and I would love to continue doing this. What do you suggest?

Marilyn

Hi Marilyn:

Sounds like a little muscle spasm - I get them every now and then myself.  You seem to trigger a response when  you pull on the lower lid and contract it.  I would suggest that you back off for
a couple of weeks on Lower Lid Lift then try it again. 

If you feel you need to see a doctor about it to ease your mind, then you should.  I don't know of any other lower lid exercise to give you - Deb will let you know on that one and on all of the
aforementioned. 

Again, I would just leave it alone, take a temporary layoff and then try again in two weeks.  Don't worry about losing out on 2 or 3 weeks - remember muscles have memory - jump in again full
force - and you'll be back where you left off in a weeks time.

Good-luck!

Olympia :-)

TMJ     Jul 12, 2000

Hey Olympia!

Been gone on vacation and just got back yesterday and was reading the new posts tonight. I saw your question from several days ago when you were writing about TMJ. As you may remember, I, too, have problems with TMJ and can't do the jaw exercises that Deb has on her video.

The exercise that I use for my jaw (and it works for temple area as well) goes like this:

Place your hands at the base of the neck and pull down. Tilt your chin up with your head back. Then open and close the mouth in an exaggerated chewing motion. You can increase the tension to either side by turning your head in either direction. I usually do about 60-70 and do 2 sets. You can actually feel
the "burn" of the exercise (which means the muscle is really being worked). Post exercise you will immediately notice muscle hypertrophy just like you will after working out your biceps or any major muscle, which is another good indication that the muscle has been really worked.

Now this exercise has NOT aggravated my TMJ; however, each person is different. If you have TMJ I would still be very careful and began slowly with fewer reps. If you don't have TMJ, you will come to love this exercise; it's one of my favorites because it really fills out the face.

Jason jaskins@advant.com

Hi Jason:

Hope you had a fabulous vacation!  Thanks for answering my question - I'm going to try this one again too.  For some reason, I forgot how you described it before, but remembered you had wonderful results with it.  Sounds great - I know others with TMJ will benefit as well. Can't wait to try it!

My best,
Olympia :-D

Jaw Problems   Jul 4, 2000

Hello, I tend to grind my back teeth alot and also like Jean I know my face very well and know the areas that upset me.  My jaw appears to be lobsided the top lip leans towards the right side and the bottom lip leans to the left.  so the bow of my lip does not match with the center of my bottom lip (i hope i explained this well). this makes my chin stick out at an angle. Please, are there any jaw exercises that could align the jaw and stop my teeth grinding or is there something that can play this problem down.

Sophie

Hi Sophie:

I'm just going to address the teeth grinding aspect of your  questions and leave the rest up to Deb. 

Bruxism or grinding of the teeth can be alleviated and or eliminated by use of an oral appliance.  Specifically,  a nightguard or biteguard which your dentist can customize specifically for you via the use of dental impressions he/she makes of your teeth. 

By wearing this appliance every night while sleeping (some of us with TMJ actually have a day guard as well), this will help eliminate further grinding down of the teeth and more specifically the enamel of the teeth - which is vital to the health and protection of your teeth.  It will also help to alleviate and or eliminate any ongoing or future pain and jaw problems associated with the current jaw misalignment.

In addition, your dentist or specialist can give you relaxation techniques to do before bed or during the day when we tend to clench and grind.  If you grind during the day, try to be aware of or identify situations that may trigger or catalyze the bruxism.   

Sounds like you might have TMJ (temporal mandibular joint syndrome or dysfunction) from the description of your jaw and it's alignment problem.  This is what the TMJ specialist told me :  Unless you suffer from extreme pain, neuralgic symptoms, neck and shoulder pain, headaches that are unbearable - oral surgery for realignment of the jaw isn't recommended by TMJ specialists or oral surgeons.  So surgery to realign the jaw is last resort and as far as I know the only way one can realign the jaw.

I've heard of cranial manipulation - specifically of the jaw by osteopaths, but in truth, if it doesn't hurt, why mess with it - you could end up with a whole new mess of problems.  

As you said, it's evident to you because you've studied your face and know it so well.  We know that no human being is perfectly symmetrical - so we should look at our little differences or asymmetry as unique and special to us as individuals.

I have suffered a great deal with TMJ as a result of an auto-accident (my TMJ is pretty bad) and I as a result have had to avoid doing any of the jaw exercises so as not to aggravate my jaw problems.   

I do know that Jason has TMJ and has developed an exercise which he does, that I believe he's had really good results with.

Hey Jason - can you explain the exercise you described to me a while back?  Also, what has been your experience with jaw problems and what has helped you?

I also know that strengthening the surrounding muscles (surrounding the joint) of the face has helped me a great deal. Many TMJ sufferers have had very positive results from strengthening and building the Temporalis muscles and the pterygoids via such exercises as Reverse Chew and Protruding
Jaw.  The only way you will know is if you try these exercises out and see how you react to them in terms of developing pain during or after execution of the exercises.

As I said earlier, Deb will advise you as to what her experience has been with her students who have had similar problems.   

Good-luck.

My best,
Olympia :-)

Corner Mouth Pull      Sep 18, 1999

Hey Deb,

Thanks for getting your program out to me so quickly.  I think I am doing most of the exercises correctly, but I have a question about corner mouth pull.   Is it possible to be over zealous when it comes to pulling away using both hands as resistance as shown.  Maybe my skin is too soft, but I have lines where I've pushed for the resistance when I am finished.  It looks like I'm creating just the opposite effect that I'm going for.  Also, am I supposed to be able to feel the skin being pulled up towards the ear or am I not holding tight enough.  OK, here's one you probably haven't had before.  I am bulimic and have been for years.  I've had a theory that the constant purging is what has kept me looking so young thus far.  Now I'm wondering if this eating disorder is going to interfere with your program.  You may suggest rehabs, but I've been there, done that.  I've been anorexic or bulimic for 31 years.  My prognosis is not good.  So my question is, Is it reasonable to think that I can benefit from this program when I am still practicing my eating disorder.  Now, I'm wondering if I was wrong about my theory  in that it was why people thought I was much younger and that now after years it's taking it's toll.  Are the two things working against each other?  This is not a joke. Please let me know asap.

I appreciate you.
Kay

Hi Kay
Don't worry about being over zealous.  If you'll notice, the lines disappear after a few minutes (once fluid moves back into the area)  It's gong to take a little time before you really feel the muscles contracting (once they become stronger). Yes, you should feel the skin trying to move toward the earlobe when you contract the muscle. Remember, with CORNER MOUTH PULL the muscle will pull (contract) straight back toward earlobe not up as in a smile.  I can't see how facialbuilding and any eating disorder could work against each other. However, diet does play a very big roll in a youthful appearance.   A friend of mine who is also anorexic has fought this disorder for years so I know there is no such thing as a quick fix.  But, there are times when she is really able to get a handle on it for months and months at a time...because she is willing to accept that she just might fight this for the rest of her life, she's not  stressed about it anymore and is able to take herself on more than ever, finding her bouts of success are lasting longer and longer. Please stay with us and let me know how you're doing.

Deb

Overbuilt Muscle     Sep 15, 1999

I seem to have over developed the muscles around my mouth to nose (nasal labial area) - it almost looks swollen.  I need your help:  I think I really need to concentrate on the upper sides of the face and cheek muscles.  I can't do reverse chew, because of the TMJ situation.  Which exercises should I be concentrating on, and what do you recommend in terms of sets/reps?  Also, how long should I layoff the nasal labial area? Funky stuff. 

Thanks

Olympia

Hi Olympia

Good God Girl, take the day off!  LOL:-)  I can think of sooooooo many who would love to overbuild that area. Looks like you'll just have to do what I do.   Lay-off the area until it returns to the size you want then.... think maintenance.  Really concentrate on Wide Laugh ADV (feel the pull right in front of the ear) and for psyche... look in the direction you are pulling  I have found, for some reason, most will not go the distance with this one unless coached.  Let me know if you notice a difference.

PS   Sorry, I lost your Title, had to make one up...  was I close?

Deb

Concerned about pulling down on skin.      Sep 13,1999

Deb,
 
I just received the FlexEffect tape and book and noticed that several of the exercises require using the fingers to "pull down" on the face.  I thought that to lift and firm the face I would have to "push up" not "down."  It seems that pulling down on the face would cause the face to sag more so I'm concerned about pulling down on my face.  Am I reading the instructions correctly when it says to pull down on the face?  For most of the exercises I can feel a real difference after doing them, but for some of the exercises it seems a little awkward like I'm not doing them right or not getting anything out of them.  Could I be doing something wrong or do some exercises not involve as much resistance?  Also, do you have any exercises that would firm the ears, since the ears tend to sag over time?  Is it beneficial to press on certain parts of the ears?  I would think that stretching the ears would make them longer which is not desirable. 

Thanks for your input
Dale

Hi Dale

Muscles are not capable of pushing they can only pull. To apply resistance, you have to pull the muscle in the opposite direction of the contraction. Don't worry about pulling down on the face causing it to sag more... NO SUCH THING.   You'll find you have a lot of control over some of the muscles and will notice changes in these areas quickly. But, there are some muscles that are hardly ever used.  These muscles will take a little longer to feel their individual movement.  when you do, that's when you'll start to see the results from building them.  As far as exercises for the ear, I don't have a one, I know many people that can move their ears.. (I still can't) not to sure what effect it actually has on the ears sense the movement seems to be more of the result of a muscle  contraction behind the ears.  Best I can do is to point you to the massage that involves the ears found in the book.   Let me know how it goes.

Deb.

Headache around eyes             Aug 25, 1999

Olympia mentioned the problem with pain around the eye area.  I have experienced this and it is VERY annoying ........ and felt like I had a continuous headache.   It was awful!  For me it happened after I did exercises from another program.  I put up with the discomfort because it appeared that the exercises were working.  But the aching was constant!   When I stopped these exercises and did ONLY the ones that Deb has formulated, the aching slowly subsided.   I am a little careful not to strain  or over do it now.   But,  I feel like I am getting a good healthy work out, and not straining anything to the point of discomfort.   Hope this helps.

Eileen

Sinusitis/TMJ            Aug 19, 1999

Hi Debs:

I don't know if anyone else out there has this stuff, chronic sinusitis and TMJ.   Lately, I'm finding while doing the eye exercises, almost immediately I start getting these intense headaches around my eye area.  I'm not sure if it's because of my sinusitis or if I'm performing the exercises to intensely.  Same problem happens with the TMJ - perform the cheek and jaw exercises - the darn thing acts up.  This is frustrating because it's impeding my progress.  Any suggestions?  Has anyone else experienced anything remotely similar, and if so - how did you get around it? 
Thanks much.

Olympia

Hey Olympia

These exercises will definitely activate your sinuses.  A client of mine was able to stop the medication she was taking to drain her sinuses because of the training.  If you have sinusitis it just might build the pressure for the moment (causing headaches) but should also help by draining.  As for TMJ... I don't doubt it is possible to aggravate it with some of these exercises such as PROTRUDING JAW / REVERSE CHEW.  To play it safe,  when doing REVERSE  CHEW When you open your mouth, separate the teeth but keep the lips touching.  This will prevent you from taking it too far.  My right jaw is a real piece of work and use to give me trouble all the time.  When it would flare up I simply backed off until there is was NO DISCOMFORT and started again.  Over the years it has really become stronger and rarely (never completely corrected the problem) gives me trouble. Think of it this way... In bodybuilding, when doing squats to build glute/quads you still have to go through the knees.  the jaw can be pretty much the same (wink link).   I'm really glad you posted this. This is an area I needed to touch on.

Deb

Laugh Lines           Aug 19, 1999

Hi Deb,

Thank you for creating this discussion board. It is so informative.   I have both the video and book and have been working out for three months. My skin glows and my dimples are back!! Bless you. Now for my problem. The laugh lines under my eyes have deepened since I started facial-building. The lines are located under my eyes.  I do not have crows feet, even when I smile broadly. I moisturize with a good eye cream immediately before my workouts. I work extra hard at all the eye exercises and the cheek lifts. I do, at least, 2 sets of 10 of lower lid lifts every day. I try not to squint unnecessarily when I am facial-building. What am I doing wrong? Are there other exercises that you can recommend for my laugh lines?  Any other suggestions concerning a particularly good eye cream, lifestyle change, etc. I would appreciate any help that you an provide.

Thank you!! 
Teresa

Hi Teresa

Okay...     I can almost guarantee what is going on here,  You have built the cheeks up to the point they are now pushing the lower lid area upward.  This can make whatever lines that were under the lid appear deeper.  The cheek muscles are thicker and stronger and will build extremely fast. It can take a little time for the lower lids to catch up.
It's time to work on symmetry. Remember, this is no different than bodybuilding. Everyone of these muscles are going to build.  Once all the muscles begin to respond, your next move is to decide where you want the build and how much.
1. Continue LOWER LID LIFT.   In time the lids will become thicker filling out the area
2. For the time being discontinue CHEEK RAISER / WINK / WINK ADV. these three build directly under the eye creating lift.   Give these muscles a little time to lose some of the size.   Once you see the lids smoothing out then decide if it's time to pick them back up again.
You're  right on target with your training, I LOVE IT!  PLEASE TAKE PHOTOS and don't worry about squinting. (no such thing).  Get back to me.

Deb

Fingernails get in the way           Aug 17, 1999

Hi Deb,

I have a problem doing the lower lid lift. I have long fingernails and they get in the way. Would using the inside of my middle finger to pull and hold do the job?

Cari

Hi Cari

You get as creative as you need to!    You can use the sides of your fingers and even the butt of your palms.  Just make sure you get the resistance.  You wouldn't believe some of stuff I've come up with over the years when the joints of my fingers had just HAD IT due to the concentration of classes. Keep me posted with your results.

Deb

Pinched Nerve in Neck      July 13, 1999

Hi Deb:

I ended up with a pinched nerve in my neck - compression of some vertebrae back there abouts.  Anyway, it's screwed up my bodybuilding training and my facial building training, because my left arm is killing me from the darn thing - couple of fingers numb - the whole bit. My question:  I can't do my head
lifts for my neck, or any movements that will further compress the vertebrae, so what should I concentrate on for the neck area in the meantime? Is there anything or should I just layoff for a while? 

Never had this happen before (when I was a youngin), is this what happens when your going towards 40 at a rather accelerated  pace? Oh ya, if you have any advice per the upper body training in the interim, I'd be much a obliged.  I don't want to admit it - but me thinks the bottom line is rest and recoop - but I'm having a tough time laying off my training schedule. I'm one of those bad patients that doesn't understand the words "rest and do nothing.". 

I'll definitely let you know about the C/selenium  when I get started.  I bought the Solbar 50 from Pearson/Covey per your recommendation - been using it for several months - Great Stuff - doesn't aggravate my skin - and I'm allergic to alot of what's out there in sunscreens!

Thanks again.
Olympia   

Hello Olympia

I've been there myself.  Doing Leg Press (bad form) messed up and lost feeling down the outer part of my right leg.  All is fine now but you are right - LET IT REST and ICE, ICE, ICE. Because most of the neck exercises involve either putting your head back or chin down (tucked in.)  I'm really  not  sure just what you will be able to get away with.  So... If you can't go after the muscle, go after the skin!   I recommend you now take the opportunity to really get into the Flex. Facial Massage.   I can't think of anything better for the tissue. It's heavy duty and in time you'll get to where you can't keep your hands off your face.  Not good when you forget you're wearing makeup!  Take care and let me know how your doin.

Deb

TMJ alternative exercise    June 9, 1999

Deb,

I have problems with TMJ and wear a bite splint for correction. I have been substituting an exercise for the jaw and temporal area in place of your exercise that calls for the mouth to be opened and pressure applied to the chin. In the exercise I do, I tilt my head back, place my fingers at the base of my neck, then open and close my mouth 25 times. I do three sets of these. While this still involves the joint, the pressure is substantially less. I can feel the muscles in the jaw and temporal area have definitely been worked. (In fact, immediately after the exercise I definitely notice a moon effect). The fingers placed at the base of the neck, I'm hoping, provides the resistance needed to help build these areas. I would appreciate your comments on this exercise and any suggestions you might have for alternative exercises that works these areas yet decreases the amount of pressure on the jaw.
Jason

Hi Jason

The  exercise you described sounds somewhat like CHEST PULL with a few moves missing. So just in case you don't have the book here it is.  This exercise is usually performed to firm and smooth the neck but it still effects the temporalis/jaw.

CHEST PULL Firms and Smoothes the Neck

sorry, time's up

Let me know how this works for you and thanks much for the TMJ exercise.

Deb